Re: Talula openly solicits drugs via this newsgroup

Juba wrote:
earthpots <earthpots@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message:
gUOFg.1928$u1.1417@trnddc05,
So anyone who forms an opinion on anyone who doesn't want to explain,
when given the opportunity to do so, is the District Attorney?

You are not entitled to any answers and when you bore in, as you have
with an accusatory tone and claim that if you don't get an answer that
satisfies you, you'll assume "X" is correct, you are acting as if you
had some power to demand answers and determine truth.


I only did that because I got a nasty reply from her ty original question.
She basically left me with little choice.


The fact that you are pursuing this says a lot more about you than
it does about anyone else.


You are reading way more into this than what is there.


And it say, what? That I'm not buying what someone says, when there
is evidence to the contrary?

I don't see you questioning anyone else over their misstatements. What
you choose to focus on, to the exclusion of all others, speaks volumes
about you.


I'm not here all the time, I lurk from time-to-time. There is probably a lot
of stuff I never see. I haven't seen any misstatements made by anyone, over
the past several days, that I _know_ to be misstatements, or believe _might_
be. I see a lot of accusations and allegations with insufficient evidence to
support them. Just because I focused on *this* one, doesn't mean I am
excluding others. I just haven't _seen_ others recently. I saw *this* one,
and it puzzled me as to why she would deny authorship, when I distinctly
recalled seeing the posts made by her. Checked Google, and sure enough,
there they were. I don't understand why she would lie and say they were not
made by her.


Codeee doesn't care what you believe. She realizes that attempting
to correct the misstatements that have been made about these posts
would be just what the Kooks want; allowing herself to get sucked
into the Kook's games.



And all of this is irrelevant, nor do I care to read it, as it is has
been posted ad nauseum.

No, it's not irrelevant. It IS the point here.


In your mind, and the mind of the other players, not mine.


I don't even really _know_ Shiver.

Bull***.


It isn't "bull***", I don't know her. I know that she posts in AMF, and has
posted here. I know _about_ her, but I don't *know* her. I don't post on a
regular basis in AMF, but neither does Rosie. So please explain how that is
"bull***"?



And I certainly don't agree with
the way she went about doing things.

You "don't agree" eh?
Another mild rebuke for outrageous and insane behavior that went on
for months at a time.


And I wasn't here posting, I stopped because it became impossible to have an
on-topic thread in here, due to the squabbles, trolls and what-not. If her
behavior became outrageous and insane, it happened when I wasn't here. I was
skipping most of those threads that involved NG politics rather than
on-topic subjects. When they became the main focus of ASCP, I gave up and
left. Can't comment on something I actually didn't read.


Gee, can you spare it? That didn't tax you too much did it?

Your problem is that
you jump to the conclusion that if anybody questions anybody on
_your_ side, they must automatically be aligned with the so-called
"Kooks".

I don't jump to any conclusion over any single act. I look at the
entire picture. What does the person criticize and what do they
ignore. i.e.

You jumped to conclusions, you assume I read, and have read, everything. I
skim, and skip over quite a lot.


You criticize me and then you defend what the LC stalker does,

I criticized _both_ of you.

offering up his own pathetic excuses for what he does.

His excuse is what it is. Your problem is with him, his problem is with you.

You criticize Jite and you blame him for Morton's stalking of him.


I don't recall blaming RJ for Morton's presence. You are twisting my words.
What I wrote was: " would very much like to see Jite and Morton gone.
Neither belong here, nor does their personal little jihad belong here.
Morton has pretty much said that he would go if Jite did. I have never been
able to figure out just what Rack's purpose it
here. It's obvious why Morton is here. He's here to respond to Rack Jite,
and would respond to him wherever he goes. The two need to find an empty NG
to go to. But I think RJ stays because he likes an audience, and he gets one
here, despite all his off-topic screeds. I don't even pay attention to
them."


You question Codeee and me, but no one else.


Gee, I've only been back here a few days, give me time. And I may be gone
again for a while. I don't read *all* of what goes on here. I happened to
see Codeee's reply to Zomby mentioning ADH.


I can accept criticism when it comes from someone who isn't so
obviously biased.

Yeah, you have to save your energy for whenever you think you've
caught one of us (me, Jite, Sue, Codeee, and sometimes Legend) in a
lie.


The only one I have caught in a lie, that I could show evidence that it was
a lie, was Codeee. The rest is more like "he said, she said".


Wrong. Your as bad as some of those conspiracy theory people, the
bogeyman is everywhere.

Except that this is not the first time you've done this.


And you know this...???


And yet you've never questioned anyone on the "other side" about anything,


Zomby and Rudie, but it was some time ago. And there were others too, that
are no longer here.


and you've never spoken out against anything done to me and mine.


Because I either wasn't here, or simply wasn't up to posting.


But of course that's none of your concern.


I'm supposed to be here 24/7 like most of you on both sides appear to be?


You have more important things to worry about; like a "tampon" post from 7
years ago.


It is important. It's a credibility issue. If she is lying about that, it
makes me question if she is being truthefull about a lot of things. I simply
don't understand _why_ she would deny being the author, when there are three
posts in Google from ADH which were apparently made by her. I don't care
about what she did 7 years ago, as posted in those posts, I care about what
she is doing *now*, by lying that she didn't write those posts, and inquired
about the subject.


As long as you are here, with your need to
control this group, running out anyone you think should go,

I don't have the power to "run out" anyone.


But you have threatened others, and pretty much caused them to leave because
of your threats of what you would do if they stayed. Whether you like the
person, or what they did/do, or not; you don't have the right to bully them.
and dictating who should post to whom

Uh-huh. You repeat the Kooks lies, almost word for word, and this is
another example.

I don't dictate who should post to whom. I tell people that it's wrong
to reward stalkers; to treat them as friends, when they are engaged in
despicable and illegal behavior. If the people I say this to insist on
continuing to reward stalkers, then I criticize them for it.


That's dictating, now matter how you want to spin it. Why should I, or
anyone else, ignore a poster because of a problem that you are having with
them. It's your problem, why should it become mine?

This is no more me telling people who they can talk to, than if I was
to claim you are trying to tell me what I can and can't do here, just
because you criticize me.

The kooks lie about what I say to people about this because it
threatens them. Does my bringing this up; this conventional wisdom
about dealing with trolls; is it really tantamount to telling people
who they can talk to? Of course not. That's a Kook's lie and you are
repeating it, just like you've repeated many other kook lies and
pathetic justifications.

Since I don't read everything in her all of the time, and I don't know what
supposed lies the "Kooks" have made, how can I be repeating them? Maybe my
observations match theirs because maybe what they say isn't really lies. And
just because *you* label someone a Kook, doesn't make them one, except in
_your_ eyes. It appears that anyone you end up making your adversary, is a
kook in your eyes. That's _your_ perception, _your_ problem. not mine.


, this will never be a group to post
in.

Really? Then why are you posting here?


Nice try. You know what I meant. This will never be a place for CP'ers to
post freely, too many are driven away by the war against the "Mouse" who has
been gone, how long? It's not a welcoming place. I'm posting for those who
stumble in here needing help or info, not knowing the history here. Most of
my posts are to those people, and others who post rarely because of the crap
that goes on in here.


Why would I,
or anyone else for that matter, want to post in the hostile
environment you created here?

You blame me for everything that is wrong with this newgroup, and you
don't have any real problems with anything that anyone else does;
well, except for Jite and Codeee.


A lot of the problems are due to you. You may not like that citicism, but
that's my opinion and I intend to stick with it.


According to you everything else that has happened; every despicable
thing done by the likes of Rosie, LC, ZW, Morton, Holland, etc. etc.
etc. is just a reaction to something done by me, Jite or Codeee.


No, mostly just you. You are having what you measured out, measured back to
you. Some of it is a reaction Jite, because Jite posts things that
intentionally stir up replies. Some of it is a reaction to Codeee because
Codeee reacts to them. Despicable behavior is happening on both sides, and
each fuels the other.


But you're not taking sides.


The fact that I happen to be critical of you, dislike Jite, and mistrust
Codeee, doesn't mean I support whatever is the other side that you imagine
exists. Especially because you lump Ruada in with many others, and I happen
to dislike her.



Uh-huh.
You are so transparent.
You repeat the Kooks "party line" almost word for word.
This'll put you in solid with them.


Uh-huh.
You are so paranoid.
You see "Kooks' everywhere.


Am I gonna run you off now, or try to tell you who you can talk to?


You wouldn't be able to do so if you tried. I come and go as I please, and
reply to whoever I want.


Nah, that's just what you'll claim if I (after taking this load of
*** from you) criticize anything YOU do.


You already criticized what I did. Do you see me running around claiming you
threatened to run me off, or tell me who to post to? But the minute I reply
to one of the Kooks, can I expect you to badger me like you did Cabbi? I
sure can.


You are right about one thing; this isn't the group for you.


It isn't the group for anyone with chronic pain, as long as most of the
topics are not chronic pain related.


Please be my guest and have the last word, you'll just repeat yourself
anyway.

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