Re: ASC-P History Shiver and the flying monkeys

"Legend" <the_warrior@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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lightlady wrote:
>snip<

for your reading pleasure LOL

"what lying??
Well, tor one thing, she accused me of thretening to call the child
welfare authorities on her. I NEVER SAID THAT i WOULD. I sinply
pointed out that all sorts of people browse these newsgroups, and her
bizarre behavior is bound to attract some attenton. I know thatwe need
to create a place that is as safe as possible in which to share. But
there are "lurkers" who have no real ties here, or to the Chronic Pain
subculture in general, would no such qualms.


and that is stalking by proxy according to juba. <sigh> it's just become a
no-win situation on both parties sides, and it doesn't look like a cease
fire is imminent. whcih is sad, cuz it would be nicer to actually share
life's experiences as opposed to have them thrust down each others throat.


from what i can read from others no one here should accuse
others of lying. i have not seen her make-up stories. people have
admitted
to certain behaviours and have been called on it. and no, i don't
approve
of some of the postings she makes, but i'm not her keeper, i'm her
friend,
and i accept her as she is. and i can say the same of about all folks
on
usenet, i don't approve of a lot of things, but i don't always voice to
the
world every opinion i have.

I've been honest from my very first post-not that its done me much
good. Granted, I jooined to answer one person, a doctor-not the
esteemed Dr. work, he was before my time, but a self-righteous type,
who was announcing his "dropping out" of pain management. He told me,
in essence that I might as well drop dead, which fueled my advocacy,
and also some worried and sympathetic posts and emails, one of the most
moving from Grandpa Gus, a friend of Cabbi's, which moved me all the
more when I found out it was almost impossible for him to walk, let
alone post and at that time he was being shunted from one undersupplied
veteran's hospital to the other. Although his living conditions have
improved, his health hasn't, and he seldom postsnow. I hope you stick
around long enough to read one of his posts-now usually relayed by
Cabbi. They can be quite inspiring-from a Chronic Painer no one here
has ever questioned the honesty of.
Also, others, like Codeee. Cabbi, Juba, OG, Juba-many others supported
me-although we've had differences-and I, in turn, supported them,
opefully doing some good, and I was a Highprofile member in no time.

i wish i could see that side of a couple folks :-( but i haven't, which is
why i treat them the same way they treated me from my very first post here.
i give respect first cuz that's the way mom taught me, but after that you
got to earn it.

and the funny thing is, Juba actually put one of the un-aswered questions on
his kook faq...if he woulda just been honest with me to begin with i mighta
ttthought different of him, but i got labeled part of the cabal back then,
now i'm a kook LOL i freely admit to being a bit kooky. i'd rather be
normally abnormal, than abnormally normal ;-)



what i do see, is a lot of "Do unto others as they have done to you".

Unfortunately, yes. But if you read all posts dispassionately, most
peoplebring this on themselves. There are really only trhee that I'm
conistently negative with-when I can't ignore them-and they worked long
and hard to alienate me.

i totally agree with ya there, but i only have 2.... oops i forgot, one is
blocked along with his side-kick ( it saves bandwidth)



one thing i do totally agree with rosie on is that too much of this ng
is
about opiates and other narcotic drugs... doesn't anyone give a chit
about
finding other ways of dealing with chronic pain??

Most of us have tried other things. I certainly do. Do you think I
WANTED to go to jail? I've always taken full responsibility for my
actions, and now work to have the laws changed. My views are radical,
and I know not many will agree with ALL of them, but I certainly don't
force them on anyone. I know I can't top anyone, but a personal
request-please don't try engaging me in debate, unless you have
something positive to contribute. It doesn'thelp anyone.

i do try to be a positive kinda person. as you can see i haven't shouted or
swore once ;-)
and hey, i know about radical views <bg> i'm an ole roadie/lighting tech
from up in new england back in the 80's and 90's. from Rasta bands to
country folk, and christian rockers in between. then we had the alternative
acts and B&D nites at the man-ray...one of these days i'll write that book
<g>


i'm sorry, but if a
personthinks getting rid of pain will make the world a better place,
that
person is in for a rude awakening. pain is a part of life, and you must
come to terms with it.

Acute pain, and simple everyday ached and pains--but most of us have
debilitating, pain that seldom, if ever goes away without chemical
intervention. Many of us have found it possible to work, raise
families-even to walk, and move certain parts of our bodies, where it
was near impossible before. We've been programmed to think possibly
addictive drugs-bad! Some doctors, who are all reluctant, in most
cases, to prescribe high doses of opiates, have had to convince some
patients in truly debilitating pain to try any opiates. It's all in the
way they're used. A drug that can ruin one life, can give another
person their life back.

trying to zombify yourself to eradicate the pain is,

Puh-leeze!

well, it does seem like a lot of mind-numbing type behaviour is discussed.
and i don't have anything against it, if that *is* the only way to get
relief. but i hadn't seen mention of other modalities of treatment other
than the threads i tried to get started, hence my position on that. i would
like to see more discussions, it helps to share lil tricks to deal with
swollen ankles and constipation at the same time ( dang, now that's a weird
combo?!?) told ya i was kooky <bg>


to me, a lesson in futility. meditation, biofeedback, Tai Chi, Yoga,
foods
that relieve pain ?? where are the discussions of these types of
things??
i tried to get conversations going about other pain reducing modalities,
but
that too was a lesson in futility <sigh> so now i'll just follow the
theme
of this ng....."

See above. It's not what you use, but how you use it, and what you use
it for. Right now, I'm wearing a fentanyl patch, have taken 230mg o
morphine sulfate pills,, and 2 soma muscle relaxers-all face-to-face
doctor-prescribed, and only feel a bit tired-at this hour, and with the
fact that I had NO sleep last night-I was writing a book review, and
just idn't feel tired. 35 years ago, I'm sure these drugs wouldhave
knocked me out, but right now, they're what the doctor
ordered-literally and figuratively.

i hear ya... but i'm one of those folks who is allergic to just about
everything, and things i'm not allergic too, i have bad side-effects from
:-( which is why i had to seek releif everywhere i could. Turmeric is still
my fav


just so ya know, snipping outta context really makes ya look desperate.

I hpe we can stay IN context-again, literally and figuratively. I
don't hate you for being Rosie's friend; on the contrary, I think she
needs someone like you. I could never "hate" Cabbi for being friends
with ZW, and, from what I see, you're a person worth knowing. Although
I gravitate towards people who share my views, I'm also friends with
people who see things differently, and always make up my own mind about
people.

well that's the thing, friends don't tell friends who to be friends with :-)
nor who to talk with at a public forum.



Many things have been said to the contrary about me, but I hope you can
see past that. If you ever have any questions about uch, ask them-I
always check in, and my email address is a real one. Or do a google. I
never asked for a post tobe removed, so, I imagine they're all here.
I'm not the enemy-unles you choose to make me one. I don't pre-judge,
but then, I don't grovel, either.



ditto, ditto, and ditto ( except the email part, had to keep the spam down)
--
lampy

The fellowship of those who bear the Mark of Pain.
Who are the members of this Fellowship?
Those who have learned by experience what physical pain
and bodily anguish mean, belong together all the world over;
they are united by a secret bond.
Albert Schweitzer


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