Re: Can a Tens unit actually cause pain??

It looks as if you may be a visionary! Now that Abramhoff has been "outed",
there is a chance that Congress will right itself and become the institution
it was meant to be.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Sorry, but I couldn't help it. I have NO faith in this administration or
this Congress. It seems to me all has come to a place where it's OK to steal
from taxpayers and to see how far one can get before the entire government
collapses. There must be an end to this blood sucking regime or we have no
chance of surviving. We've trusted our government too long and we've been
rewarded with unsupervised theft of money, land and power. In short, this
country has been raped while expecting a small group of "leaders" to manage
our assets. I'm afraid we've done this to ourselves by not watching, but we
certainly can slam the door on this hemorrhage of money and resources before
we're entirely destitute.
It's time to demand more from our elected officials, and if they do not
respond immediately, it's time to throw them out of office. It's time to
take back America.
Cabbi
"none" <Vampyres@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:46:21 -0600, "Cabbi" <cabbi@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>I am so sorry. I didn't realize that I was talking to another victim of
>>the
>>VA. There is NO excuse for the lack of treatment you all get at the hands
>>of
>>those butchers. After all you've done for us, it's a crime the way they
>>treat you, once you're damaged and broken in service to our country. I
>>have
>>nothing to offer you except my deepest appreciation for all you've done
>>for
>>each and all of us. I pray that GWB can see his way clear to allow decent
>>treatment for all our vets, regardless of the conflict in which they
>>served.
>>This ignorance toward those who have given all is unforgivable. I'd be
>>happy
>>to pay more taxes if I knew it were going to our vets.
>>Thank you again for all you've done to keep us safe.
>>Cabbi
>>
> Thanks for the praise and your sympathies, though I'd be the first to
> say that I'm no hero, just did my job and watched my buddies back like
> any good soldier should.(the real hero's are those who came back
> severely injured or gave all in their service.)
> AS for GW, history has shown time and again that the politicos who are
> on the right are the first to desert those they throw into harm's way.
> When GW couldn't get an increase in funding for his dirty little war
> back in the first year he simply went an retroactively cut the
> operating funds for the VA to get what he wanted.
> His lap dog Principi under his orders has consectively cut VA funds
> every year since.( I and every other disabled vet has noticed the
> drastic fall in the quality of care because of it.)
> We all hear stories of vets who have to wait as much as a year to see
> a doctor, sadly this is true.(I've been lucky, whatever scale they
> apply to vets to determine their worth to participate in the system
> has allowed me to see my doc often enough to keep me supplied with at
> least the minumim amount of pain meds I need to stay sane.)
> I do notice that the younger disabled vets are having a worse time of
> it than some, those in their early 20's or so. I'd suppose those just
> coming back from Iraq?
> They're the one's who'll have it worst of all in the future. As the
> federal government gets closer and closer to implosion, as the
> operating budget dwindles closer and closer to the point of no return
> these young vets who've given their good health will be the ones to
> suffer the most.(most of us oldsters are getting close to the big dirt
> nap and many won't see the worst of the fall apart so won't have to
> worry about where we'll get treatment.)
> I tell any youngster who asks to avoid the service if at all possible.
> better to try and get what college or trade skill they can and make a
> life for themselves as soon as they can.
> To be sure if they get hurt in the military all they can look forward
> to is to be discarded like so much scrap.
> Heck we'd all like to see our taxes better spent, I thank you for your
> sentiment in that regards.
> Sadly I think what it'll take to get our corrupt goverment turned
> around is LESS taxes. In effect starve the bastards out or at least
> get them to realize that they're supposed to be on the hill to serve
> US, not themselves or whatever corporation or special interest group
> who'll line their pockets with money.
> I sincerely believe that if, we the people, can make Washington a low
> or non-profit enterprise that it would discourage most of the bottom
> feeders from even running for office.(The first step would be a new
> law banning "lobbying". Lets call it what it is , bribery, plain and
> simple.)
>>
>>
>>"none" <Vampyres@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:57:27 -0600, "Cabbi" <cabbi@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dude,
>>>>if you got any relief from the TENS unit, over and above the meds you
>>>>use,
>>>>I
>>>>think it's a very positive reaction. If not, blow off the TENS unit and
>>>>try
>>>>another avenue of pain treatment.
>>>>There are many, and you shouldn't be afraid to ask for alternative
>>>>venues
>>>>of
>>>>pain relief.
>>>>Cabbi
>>>>
>>>>You're paying them, so why can't they give you some relief of your pain?
>>>>You're not a criminal, just a patient looking to get his or her life
>>>>back.
>>>>
>>> Hey, I guess you've never dealt with the Veteran's Administration?
>>> In their opinion all vets are fakers or freeloaders who are undesrving
>>> of any fair consideration.
>>> It's only when you can actually get to see a doctor there that cares
>>> about treating the patient that you can actually get anything
>>> resembling decent medical care.(I'm lucky in that most of the time I
>>> get to see a neuro that the VA hires in from the outside who is really
>>> a compassionate person.)
>>> Problem is that most of the outsource professionals they hire have
>>> little to say in determining disabilty percentage ratings for the vet
>>> or the prescribing of so called "expensive" or extreme treatment
>>> options for the patient.( My outsource neuro couldn't get the approval
>>> to give me a tens unit even though it was needed. Took me nearly two
>>> years of fighting and a visit to the head of Neurology to get one.)
>>> Then only because I made the demand for enough strong meds to ease the
>>> pain. They like to keep the vet starved of any relief. I suppose it
>>> all goes back to that military concept of "walking off the pain".
>>> What a joke!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"none" <Vampyres@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>>>I just got my tens unit this week and tried it twice over a two day
>>>>> period.
>>>>> The first time worked fine with no apparent side effects. Had it set
>>>>> fairly low. P.R.(Hz) set at 135, P.W.(us) set at 130 and output set
>>>>> around 1.8 for a session of about 20 minutes.( For lower back pain in
>>>>> the L4-5 lumbar region.)
>>>>> No discomfort except for the tingling and pain relief after just a few
>>>>> minutes, with no return of the pain for several hours.( Didn't
>>>>> actually remove all pain but did help a great deal.)
>>>>> Used it again about 26 hours later when I had a spike in lower back
>>>>> pain. Settings the same except intensity, which I upped to the
>>>>> recommended 2 setting after about 10 minutes into a 30 minute session.
>>>>> Again felt relief from the worst of the pain allowing me to titrate my
>>>>> meds down about half.
>>>>> I woke up about seven hours later though with the most intense back
>>>>> pain I've had in awhile. Unlike my usual pain though, more like a
>>>>> kidney punch than the sharp spikes and needles I usually get from the
>>>>> nerve damage.
>>>>> Also had the need to urinate which I did.( No unusual coloration
>>>>> etc..)
>>>>> Took two percosets and a 30mg oxycodone and the pain subsided after
>>>>> about 2 hours.
>>>>> Could the Tens unit have caused this pain?
>>>>> It uses two sets of electrodes which I placed in a criss cross pattern
>>>>> around the affected area on my lower back. This did place them
>>>>> somewhat close to the region of my kidneys.( the pain I should add was
>>>>> only on the right side of my spine, the side of the original impact
>>>>> that injured my spine.)
>>>>> And yes I know from experience what a kidney punch feels like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any advice from anyone here who has any experience/knowledge dealing
>>>>> with tens units and their side-effects would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>> At this point I'm a bit leery about using it again until I get a bit
>>>>> more educated on their use.
>>>>
>>>
>>
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