Re: oxy withdrawal. don't read this.


"ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woofdogs@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:29:01 GMT, "OldGoat"
> <oldgoatmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >Dear ZW2,
> >
> >Who else is going to fix the Rx abuse problem? Us? Their families? Their
> >government? Their prisons? Been there, done that for too many years
without
> >it doing a damn thing. The only ones that can stop the abuse of drugs are
> >the abusers. When one of them decides enough is enough, they don't need
to
> >hear *** about what they've been. It's done, over and done. Every time
one
> >quits, the pressure in the chronic pain boiler drops a little.
> >Sure, I'm glad he's quit, and damn right it's for my own selfish reasons.
So
> >what? What would happen (and I hope Trypt forgives me talking about him
> >generically this way) if each and every one of us (CP'ers) got our hands
on
> >a drug abuser and did everything we could to get them to quit and it
worked?
> >Last I heard there was 50 million of us, nowhere close to that number of
> >drug abusers. We could eliminate it all. So even if it's just one,
goddamn
> >right I'm pleased and goddamn right I'm going to encourage him to stay
that
> >way. I'd encourage him to ask others to quit with him, but he's going to
> >have enough to do working to stay away from temptation for a while.
> >If you ever had a friend with the problem, you'd know where I'm coming
from.
> >I've had plenty, on both sides of the ground, which is why I can't
> >understand the attraction. When you see someone you cared about, with
barely
> >2 or 3 decades under their belts, taking the big dirt nap just because
they
> >looked for a buzz, you just gotta ask why. And rejoice when one of them
> >beats it.
> >
> >Take Care--og
> >
> Because I have seen loved ones with only a couple of decades under
> their belt pull up the turf *** as well as ones with more then that
> still walking around destroying what is left of their families life
> wit their lying, cheating & stealing that I have become jaded in the
> extreme. I wouldn't piss on a junkie if they were on fire, to use a
> TV lexicon. I was damn serious in my post that I hope this processes
> is a living hell for him. Perhaps after going through the withdrawal
> process in the most painful & horrible way will keep him away from
> playing with things a grown adult should know they shouldn't.
>
> In many of my posts I have said that I do think the Government needs
> to do more research into the pathology of addiction. Determine what
> the root cause of the problem is as opposed to just locking addicts up
> in a place were they have easier access to drugs then they usually did
> on the street.

....the evidence that addicton has a genetic cause is
overwhelming . The AMA has accepted addiction
as a disease for decades . Insurance co's would not
pay for treatment unless they too accepted the disease
nature of addiction . The WHA classifies addiction
as a disease . The Federal and State Gov'ts of the U.S.
classify addiction as a disease . Addiction has the
exact same pathology as any , chronic , progressive
disease . Any one interested in the disease concept of addiction ( including
alcoholism ) need only access the
nearest search engine .

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=disease+concept+of+addiction&btnG=Google+Search

I have been working with addicts for almost half my life.
If I believed addiction was a lifestyle problem or a
matter of willpower or an emotional weakness ,I would
not waste my time .

Why do the overwhelming number of chronic pain
patients never develop an addictive disease ? They
do not have the genetic marker for addiction . Why
is an opiate addict just as likely to be an alcoholic or
a crank head or ( pick the poison ) . The genetic
marker makes no selection . Chemical addiction is
chemical addiction .

Peace ,
Richard
> >
> >"ZombyWoof2" <X@xxxxx> wrote in message
> >news:5kp6n19rp8voqoa1mmqpsj0qk61pk8ddsn@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:01:32 GMT, "OldGoat"
> >> <oldgoatmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> stated the following:
> >>
> >>>Dear Legend,
> >>>
> >>>Thanks for the kind words, but the credit needs to go to Trypt, he's
> >>>walking
> >>>where others would talk, and doing it the hard way. While it would have
> >>>been
> >>>much easier to fall back to methadone and ride in comfort the long way
> >>>around, he's on his own two feet and standing tall for himself. It
takes a
> >>>lot of guts to look in the mirror and finally see the guy who got you
in a
> >>>tight spot to begin with. He can't wait to get this *** off his back
and
> >>>if
> >>>we can do anything to help, we should, even if it's just for the raw
> >>>courage
> >>>he's showing.
> >>>Any coward can find an escape for their responsibilities in a drug,
it's
> >>>too
> >>>easy to do and blame it on the drug. It's a shame that young folks seem
to
> >>>fall in to that trap with amazing ease, when you can finally cut that
***
> >>>loose, and realize the world is more than that, is when we truly grow
in
> >>>to
> >>>our own. It never happens to some that get caught. It gets hard to
blast
> >>>some of them, or their next of kin, when they decide the drug is to
blame
> >>>and sue the drug maker for problems of their own making. The hardest
thing
> >>>in the world is to admit you went wrong someplace along the line. When
> >>>your
> >>>eyes finally open and see how screwed the world is, it's easy to run
back
> >>>to
> >>>that old comfortably numb state, but that too is the cowards way. When
you
> >>>take all the shitstorm dead in the face, and you're still standing on
your
> >>>own, you can effect changes to better your world. Till then, you're
lost,
> >>>following the rest of the sheep to be shorn, then to the
slaughterhouse. I
> >>>like to think individually we're all better than that, even if it's
> >>>covered
> >>>up by a drug for a while. We just have to keep fighting, just like
Trypt.
> >>>
> >>>Painless days to all--og
> >>>
> >> I am seni-curious as to why you are wasting all the time, energy &
> >> effort sucking up & encouraging a junkie wannabe? He isn't showing
> >> any courage or conviction of values. He is going cold turkey because
> >> he lost his connection and can't get what he *needs* to do his usual
> >> abuse cycle.
> >>
> >> You are aware that it is people like this who cause us in the
> >> legitimate pain community and awful lot of angst & pain when it comes
> >> to obtaining & maintaining our medications for valid medical problems
> >> are you?
> >>
> >> It truly amazes me to see any Chronic Pain patients giving a
> >> prescription medicine abusers existence any type of credence what so
> >> ever. Amazing, truly amazing.
> >> ZombyWoof
> >>
> >> "You can twist perceptions
> >> Reality won't budge
> >> You can raise objections
> >> I will be the judge
> >> And the jury
> >>
> >> I'll give it due reflection
> >> Watching from the fence
> >> Give the jury direction
> >> Based on the evidence
> >> I, the jury" - Neil Peart
> >
>
> --
> Zombywoof
>
> Si vis Pacem, Para bellum


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