Re: Good God, What Happened to this Group?

Dear Codeee and OG,
thank you both for your kind words. You've actually responded in a way
that undermines my whole bitch and moan argument. I know what I've been
doing and that I've fallen into the habit of reading responses to my posts.
They tend to be about non medical issues and that just draws fire. Then I
bitch because I assume there are no other threads available! What an idiot
I've been. Of course all I hear is the downside. Garbage in garbage out.
It sure helped to hear from you two and be reminded that there is support in
the group, if that's what you're looking for. And I've been too caught up on
the very threads I condemn and, in some cases, have started.
This is the same kind of behavior that drives people to read the tabs and
ignore the legitimate press. It gives a skewed view of the issues one reads.
Even if some of it may be true, most of it is not important enough to waste
your time on. The tabs have bat babies and ASC-P anger threads have trolls,
sock puppets and people who just had a hard day at work and want to vent at
someone.
None of it really helps the central issue of getting help with ones' CP and
attendant difficulties of family, money or just needing to talk.
Thanks for the wake up call!

Cabbi

<Codeee01@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:f8rrl1t6dbtegokjtgtuceesambi7dhspi@xxxxxxxxxx
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:56:27 GMT, "OldGoat"
> <oldgoatmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
>
> Nicely put O.G....as usual.
>
> Cabbi I hope you'll take his words to heart, as this would be a much
> lesser place without you.
>
> As has been said, support still comes through. Sometimes you have to
> dial the static out, but support is always here somewhere..and often
> where you least expect it.
>
> Put on those rose colored glasses m'dear, and don't give up on us just
> yet!
>
> codeee
>
>
>
>>Dear Cabbi,
>>
>>I share your frustrations and have tried, like you, to point out how
>>destructive this is. Many times. It never works, all parties insist the
>>others are the problem, and refuse to let the ancient issues that keep
>>them
>>at each others throats alive. They are so intent on revenge and keeping
>>the
>>hate flowing that they never take a second to look in the mirror and ask
>>themselves what they might be doing to fan the flames. They can't see it,
>>being so involved with petty arguments. Those who refuse to join the fray
>>are, in their minds, blind or at best, fools.
>>This has gone on a long, long time. Some of the recycled flames that have
>>been reposted are from the mid/late 90's. A whole decade damn near gone
>>by,
>>wasted on hate. It's a shame. It is also cyclic, with peaks and dips. It
>>is
>>not as bad as it has been, though that's little comfort.
>>I would imagine, if one were interested enough, they could Google back to
>>the beginning and see who threw the first punch, but what good would it
>>do?
>>It's not a fight until someone punches back. After that, there are no
>>innocents, anyone joining the fight is as much to blame as the one who
>>started it. But revenge won't permit that point of view.
>>Don't misunderstand, great wrongs have been committed here. Posting of
>>personal information, demands for proof of death from participants
>>survivors, untold numbers of scared and agonized people being chased away.
>>It should not be tolerated, but in this type of forum, the only effective
>>tool is to choose not to read, not to participate. It makes you wonder
>>what
>>would have happened if the first person to have their "real life" vitals
>>posted here had just ignored it. Or replied with a "You're way off" and
>>given it no more attention. You would think a posting of one's vital
>>statistics would call for a reply with a great deal of thought behind it.
>>Then again, none of us are in a position to judge unless it has happened
>>to
>>us, so who can say?
>>Even in the midst of all of this flaming and hate, there have still been a
>>few success stories that have flourished and outgrown this group, no
>>longer
>>needing pain advice. Those few still outweigh all the crap, and all, even
>>the feuding parties, contributed to those success stories. When it works
>>it
>>is a beautiful thing, a worthwhile endeavor, and fills you with a kind of
>>high no medication can give you. You may not be saving a life like a
>>doctor
>>or EMT, but you saved part of a life, helped your fellow man and no matter
>>how worthless you felt before you hit the on switch of your computer, you
>>did something worthwhile before you turned it off. Where else can you go
>>and
>>make a difference in somebody's life like that? It's worth wading through
>>the muck. The more folks speaking support, staying on message, the less
>>volume the mudslides have by comparison.
>>Just hang in there and don't bother opening what you can pretty well be
>>certain is a flame. If you're bored one day, fine, but you can be sure
>>that
>>most of it is the same stuff over and over. If you read a half a dozen,
>>you've read them all. There's no rights, only wrongs. Keep the volume
>>cranked on the support, when the opportunity presents itself, and ignore
>>the
>>noise.
>>
>>Hang in there--og
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Cabbi" <cabbi@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>news:11lokt0p720cv57@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Look,
>>> I have no creds to criticize anyone. I'm no one's idea of the ideal
>>> moderator or leader.
>>> But I have a question. What happened to the "support" part of this
>>> group? It seems to me there is a lot of type spent on attacking one
>>> another, a bit of type dedicated to spreading helpful news to pain
>>> sufferers. Yet most of the posts are attacks on other sufferers. When
>>> did
>>> it become vogue to attack one another regarding their pain, whether it
>>> be
>>> physical or emotional, in responding to this group? I'm all for more
>>> personal posts, but I can't abide blind items of attack from one member
>>> or
>>> another, simply because we may disagree. That renders this group
>>> impotent.
>>> All I'm seeing these days is constant sniping and bitching, blaming
>>> others
>>> for our own short comings. What kind of improvement can we expect from
>>> this type of conversation? If we continue to tear away at one another,
>>> we
>>> won't have an ASC-P. I'm beginning to think that is not such a bad idea.
>>> How sad.
>>>
>>> Cabbi
>>>
>>
>


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