Re: Good God, What Happened to this Group?

On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:11:30 -0500, "Cabbi" <cabbi@xxxxxxx> wrote:

>Dear ZW,
> I was lucky enough to have seen your website before you were forced to
>dismantle it. It was wonderful and it gave me a better idea of whom I was
>addressing. I felt closer to you for having opened up your life, in a
>photographic way, to me. I hope there were many others who had the chance to
>get to know you a bit better. It reduces the ignorance of attacks on you and
>your family if flamers have a chance to put a face on their targets. It's
>sad that you were forced to take it down. Another case of the few destroying
>the freedom of the whole.
> Of course, you and I do not agree on everything we believe, but we have
>shared a common respect for each other for a long time. It would be great if
>people didn't leap to antagonism as soon as they detected a single issue on
>which they might not agree. I just want to tell you that I feel I know you
>better than most of the other members of ASC-P, and I know we're very
>different on our views, but we managed to overcome that difficulty in favor
>of respecting each others differences and not throwing the whole
>relationship over a few issues. In the end we both believe in the fairness
>of democracy and the importance of a free press as well as support for the
>1st Amendment. That has sealed our friendship and I hope others experience
>the similar benefits of this and other groups.
>
>Cabbi
>aka "Pollyanna"
>
If all we do is focus on the differences we are bound to constantly
fight of that there is no doubt. Of course it is our differences that
makes us different and worthy of knowing & learning from on the good
things & the bad. Some things we may add to our bag of tricks and
others we may discard (hopefully the bad).

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having differing views. It is
what makes for interesting conversations. If we were all alike the
world would indeed be a boring place.
>"ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woofdogs@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:57ipl197jtv5e79tae6keke8p0r5r5ls0h@xxxxxxxxxx
>> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:23:07 -0500, "Cabbi" <cabbi@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>Look,
>>> I have no creds to criticize anyone. I'm no one's idea of the ideal
>>>moderator or leader.
>>> But I have a question. What happened to the "support" part of this
>>>group? It seems to me there is a lot of type spent on attacking one
>>>another,
>>>a bit of type dedicated to spreading helpful news to pain sufferers. Yet
>>>most of the posts are attacks on other sufferers. When did it become vogue
>>>to attack one another regarding their pain, whether it be physical or
>>>emotional, in responding to this group? I'm all for more personal posts,
>>>but
>>>I can't abide blind items of attack from one member or another, simply
>>>because we may disagree. That renders this group impotent. All I'm seeing
>>>these days is constant sniping and bitching, blaming others for our own
>>>short comings. What kind of improvement can we expect from this type of
>>>conversation? If we continue to tear away at one another, we won't have an
>>>ASC-P. I'm beginning to think that is not such a bad idea. How sad.
>>>
>>>Cabbi
>>>
>> All depends on what you mean by support. Questions from posters are
>> still answered to the best of the people with knowledge on/of the
>> subjects based on their personal experiences. Even in the mist of the
>> most explosive flamefest the support portion continues to go on. Now
>> whether or not the support posts get lost in the overall signal to
>> noise ratio is unknown to me.
>>
>> There has been one type of a pissing contest or another been going on
>> in this group ever since I first started reading it. There seems to
>> have always been one person (not always the same person) in the
>> control freak mode and those the support them. Sort of like those
>> stupid little HS cliques all those years ago.
>>
>> I too would like to see more personal/interpersonal posts, but when a
>> person opens up about their family, professional or other aspects of
>> their life those things are then used to attack that person at some
>> later date when they do something the other clique doesn't like.
>>
>> For example I started a little website, nothing fancy, to post
>> pictures from vacations, of my family and different things I enjoy in
>> order for people to get to know me better and share some of my travel
>> experiences with those who aren't able to travel. If you don't know
>> what happened with some of those pictures drop me an e-mail line and I
>> will let you know. It wasn't pretty and I ended up taking the site
>> down.
>>
>> There are posters to this group who have no intention of posting
>> anything at all on-topic or helping people and yet are still continued
>> to be treated as if they were a valuable contributing members. I
>> suspect, but have no way to prove, that there are a lot more
>> lurkers/readers of the group then there are active posters. I hope
>> that they are able to get the information that they need and answers
>> to their questions when they post them.
>>
>> Every once in a while you'll see someone new ask some questions and
>> start participating in the group. It is at this time that some people
>> usually see fit to drag out all the dirty laundry in order to get this
>> person to "know" what has transpired in the past and "perhaps" recruit
>> them into their clique.
>>
>> There are a couple of absolute undeniable truths of past misdeeds done
>> by some. I really don't think these need to be continually rehashed
>> over & over. Some are even turning into group urban legends. People
>> who haven't posted here in years are still talked about as if they
>> were just here yesterday. Every once in a while a certain person will
>> pop up post something inflammatory and sit back and watch the flames
>> consume the group. I have no idea if it is their idea of fun or not.
>>
>> Anyhow, the long & short of it is that support does continue to
>> happen, has always happened and I think we always happen regardless of
>> what noise is either in the background or foreground. However, I
>> think people will always be very mindful of posting anything that is
>> of a personal nature that can be turned around and used against them
>> and that will impair any level of interpersonal support.
>> --
>> Zombywoof
>>
>> Si vis Pacem, Para bellum
>

--
Zombywoof

Si vis Pacem, Para bellum
.

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