Re: Good God, What Happened to this Group?

Dear ZW,
I was lucky enough to have seen your website before you were forced to
dismantle it. It was wonderful and it gave me a better idea of whom I was
addressing. I felt closer to you for having opened up your life, in a
photographic way, to me. I hope there were many others who had the chance to
get to know you a bit better. It reduces the ignorance of attacks on you and
your family if flamers have a chance to put a face on their targets. It's
sad that you were forced to take it down. Another case of the few destroying
the freedom of the whole.
Of course, you and I do not agree on everything we believe, but we have
shared a common respect for each other for a long time. It would be great if
people didn't leap to antagonism as soon as they detected a single issue on
which they might not agree. I just want to tell you that I feel I know you
better than most of the other members of ASC-P, and I know we're very
different on our views, but we managed to overcome that difficulty in favor
of respecting each others differences and not throwing the whole
relationship over a few issues. In the end we both believe in the fairness
of democracy and the importance of a free press as well as support for the
1st Amendment. That has sealed our friendship and I hope others experience
the similar benefits of this and other groups.

Cabbi
aka "Pollyanna"
"ZombyWoof" <Zomby-Woofdogs@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:57ipl197jtv5e79tae6keke8p0r5r5ls0h@xxxxxxxxxx
> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:23:07 -0500, "Cabbi" <cabbi@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>Look,
>> I have no creds to criticize anyone. I'm no one's idea of the ideal
>>moderator or leader.
>> But I have a question. What happened to the "support" part of this
>>group? It seems to me there is a lot of type spent on attacking one
>>another,
>>a bit of type dedicated to spreading helpful news to pain sufferers. Yet
>>most of the posts are attacks on other sufferers. When did it become vogue
>>to attack one another regarding their pain, whether it be physical or
>>emotional, in responding to this group? I'm all for more personal posts,
>>but
>>I can't abide blind items of attack from one member or another, simply
>>because we may disagree. That renders this group impotent. All I'm seeing
>>these days is constant sniping and bitching, blaming others for our own
>>short comings. What kind of improvement can we expect from this type of
>>conversation? If we continue to tear away at one another, we won't have an
>>ASC-P. I'm beginning to think that is not such a bad idea. How sad.
>>
>>Cabbi
>>
> All depends on what you mean by support. Questions from posters are
> still answered to the best of the people with knowledge on/of the
> subjects based on their personal experiences. Even in the mist of the
> most explosive flamefest the support portion continues to go on. Now
> whether or not the support posts get lost in the overall signal to
> noise ratio is unknown to me.
>
> There has been one type of a pissing contest or another been going on
> in this group ever since I first started reading it. There seems to
> have always been one person (not always the same person) in the
> control freak mode and those the support them. Sort of like those
> stupid little HS cliques all those years ago.
>
> I too would like to see more personal/interpersonal posts, but when a
> person opens up about their family, professional or other aspects of
> their life those things are then used to attack that person at some
> later date when they do something the other clique doesn't like.
>
> For example I started a little website, nothing fancy, to post
> pictures from vacations, of my family and different things I enjoy in
> order for people to get to know me better and share some of my travel
> experiences with those who aren't able to travel. If you don't know
> what happened with some of those pictures drop me an e-mail line and I
> will let you know. It wasn't pretty and I ended up taking the site
> down.
>
> There are posters to this group who have no intention of posting
> anything at all on-topic or helping people and yet are still continued
> to be treated as if they were a valuable contributing members. I
> suspect, but have no way to prove, that there are a lot more
> lurkers/readers of the group then there are active posters. I hope
> that they are able to get the information that they need and answers
> to their questions when they post them.
>
> Every once in a while you'll see someone new ask some questions and
> start participating in the group. It is at this time that some people
> usually see fit to drag out all the dirty laundry in order to get this
> person to "know" what has transpired in the past and "perhaps" recruit
> them into their clique.
>
> There are a couple of absolute undeniable truths of past misdeeds done
> by some. I really don't think these need to be continually rehashed
> over & over. Some are even turning into group urban legends. People
> who haven't posted here in years are still talked about as if they
> were just here yesterday. Every once in a while a certain person will
> pop up post something inflammatory and sit back and watch the flames
> consume the group. I have no idea if it is their idea of fun or not.
>
> Anyhow, the long & short of it is that support does continue to
> happen, has always happened and I think we always happen regardless of
> what noise is either in the background or foreground. However, I
> think people will always be very mindful of posting anything that is
> of a personal nature that can be turned around and used against them
> and that will impair any level of interpersonal support.
> --
> Zombywoof
>
> Si vis Pacem, Para bellum


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