Re: OT: I Am Voting For Hillary!!!

On Jan 25, 9:05 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Jan 25, 2:14 pm, cloud dreamer <S...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Husky wrote:
On Jan 25, 1:28 pm, "mr d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"
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Why should I have to pay for healthcare when she can give it to me
free??????

Go Hillary!!!!!

*** Bushtard!!!!!

mr dude (all you Neo-Cons can *** off!!!!!!!)

Right, but you'll have to wait 4 to 6 months for it, like they do
in
Canada! But then, how much can a tumor in your brain grow in 6
months?

That's a myth that conservatives in the States love to spread in fear
of
a state run medical system, and while not perfect, it's far from what
they would lead you to believe it is...

Emergency or tests that are urgent don't wait 4 to 6 months. I know
multiple people who've had different types of cancer and the only one
to
die had herself refused to see a doctor (cause she didn't want to
"bother" them with what she thought was just cysts. She waited until
she
was actually sick to get treatment and by then it was too late). What
treatment she got was immediate and cost-free.

The others I know had leukemia, prostrate cancer and several breast
cancers including a male. All of them were treated and healthy. None
have lost their home or jobs, nor do they pay more than 10% of their
income on any necessary drugs (which are so cheap here, Americans
come
by the busloads to get their Rx filled). My nephew has diabetes and
the
parents pay virtually nothing for treatment including the new ($6000
I
believe) insulin pump that frees the little guy from daily
injections.

I've had two non-emergency knee surgeries in the last ten years -
both
done within six weeks of seeing the doc (which itself only took about
a
month). Two other specialists I've seen in the last few years were
both
roughly six week waits...again, for non-emergency cases. A
non-emergency
mammogram was a three month wait. I can see my doctor often on the
same
day, but if not, the wait is never more than a few days. Blood tests
and
x-rays can be done the same day as my doctor's appointments with
results
in less than two weeks. The one time I went to the ER for something,
I
was in and out in less than two hours.

It's a great myth that we wait months and months for tests. In the
last
twenty years, the only test that I had to wait more than three months
for was an MRI. If my case was an emergency or if the doctor had even
suspected something serious, I would have been in within days. On the
day of the MRI, emergency cases went before me. A second and third
MRI
machine installed locally has dramatically cut that wait time since
then.

Compare that to an American system where the wait is often to learn
IF
you can even have the test. It's no good to know you can get an MRI
within a week if your insurance company decides you don't need it.
(Yes,
it happens - I have relatives in the States). It's certainly no good
if
your insurance company decides your leukemia is a pre-existing
condition
and refuses treatment...leaving one homeless if they want to attempt
to
pay for a bone marrow transplant.

And that's IF you have insurance.

Ours may not be a perfect system (the French do it better), but I'll
take it over the US system any day.

..

--

We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.

www.ipcc.ch/

I got this in an E mail. It's a sad commentary on "Health Care" in
Canada. Snopes it if you like. It goes contrary to some of the
things you've posted.

http://tinyurl.com/356v7m

I know it's not as easy as listening to or watching a video assembled by
the
well funded lobbying group for the health care industry that has so much
to
protect, but if you actually take the time to read and research the
topic
from BOTH sides instead of listening to the right wing puppet masters,
you
will find this goes far deeper than this.

Instead of listening to rhetoric, perhaps you should have listened to
the words of the potential victim of the system.
http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000404.htm

http://www.who.int/whr/2000/en/annex01_en.pdf

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/publications_show.htm?do...

There are problems with the Canadian system. No doubt. But here in the
US
we should do much better at providing for everyone, not simply the most
well
to do.
Why would you come to that conclusion? The government has championed
one failed policy after another. How has the drug war and Energy
policy been going?

What's your idea? Status quo? I know the budget in my town is getting
blown up by the constantly increasing health care and insurance costs alone.
Just for example. This is a runaway problem at every level...in the public
AND private sector. There have to be serious changes made across the board
and I don't trust private, profit motivated institutions to solve it.

You're falling into the trap of "We have to do something,This is
something, Let's do this."
JMHO, let's go retro, to a point in time where there was no Health
Care issue and see where it went wrong. That's be a good place to
start.
Much of the cost is attributed to Insurance for Dr's and Hospitals,
gouging of the uninsured by providers, and of course, huge settlements
in malpractice cases.
IOW, trail lawyers getting fat on the medical industry.
If they don't address the sources of the problem any plan they come up
with will be akin to painting over rotted wood.



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