Re: Pats make inquiry about Moulds

MZ wrote:
THey don't lessen the "cash" risk, but lessen the cap hit risk if they,
in effect take it all this year.

No, putting all your cap hit onto one year is always bad, UNLESS you don't
plan on spending to the cap. That's why it was a smart move when Minnesota
did it with Winfield. They were $30M under and had no intention of spending
all that $30M. New England is $20M under, and Johnathan Kraft said they
were going to spend to the cap. It's a different issue because Minnesota
didn't cut players to get down $30M. By spending it all on Seymour this
year, they're saying "screw this year." I hope they're not saying that.
It's dumb.

I have to disagree (surprise) with the word 'always', especially when
you're talking BB's front office here. first off, the Pats probably
still have 20 mill in cap space after the few signing of Neal, Brown,
Scott and the other no name guys because for a minute there they must of
had 23 mill or so with, according to Miguel, the Dillon rework. so ok,
20 mill cap space, this is Bill Belichick you're talking about!!! he has
won 3 SB's with the luxury of only having 5 mill or so under the cap
every year after serious reworking, cuts and all that yearly mess. only
1 year, since he took over, in 03 did he have the luxury of like 7 mill
or so and went and got Colvin, Harrison and a few other choice pickups.

so now, your BB, 20 mill is obscene to you. with your value system you
can't even find 20 mill of FA's to even sign (I say this because if he
could, he would of by now. he is sitting on his hands because he is
sticking to his value system and nothing out there rocks his world,
except for an earnest and fair effort to keep Givens, somewhat.) the
other thing we know is BB really hates front loading if he can get away
from it because he knows given his value system that he will be cutting,
reworking and eventually absorbing that players dead bonus ... Willie
McGinest comes to mind of an original contract that needed reworking
every year for the past 5 years. Brady is the one now that will really
need yearly messaging and to add another deal like this with Seymour is
really against all of BB's principles.

so again, given all this context, signing Seymour to a heavy bonus deal
is more than likely the main thing that has slowed this deal as its that
bonus and salary that keeps escalating as the years pile on. but now,
you have 20 mill!!!

lets say you give Seymour something in the 6 year 42 mill range, but a
signing bonus of 18 mill to make it easy to swallow the lower overall
average. you give him 10 mill in guaranteed salary this year, then add a
8 mill roster bonus next year and that's year's salary and it probably
22 mill or so for the first 2 years - bird in hand, not bad. distribute
that 8 mill over the last 5 years (1.6 mill prorated) of the deal with
salaries that are a little less next year but from 08 on are a constant
cap hit of 8.5 avg. for the remainder of the contract. that's pretty
good numbers for a usual break the bank star in the final half of his
contract when those numbers get into 10 mill and above in cap hit.

and remember, doing that still leaves BB with another 10 mill in cap
space which is also an obscene number for BB and his front office.
millions and millions more than they've ever had to spend this year and
you have the Beg Sey wrapped up AND his numbers will not keep escalating
into the future to the point they become the poison pill, so plenty of
cap leverage in the future. that's thinking ahead and not hurting the
team as you conclude but keeping the cap manageable and retaining a
great talent like Seymour. what's not to like about that.

as for who they gave up, face it, the money was sitting there, if Bill
Belichick wanted Givens they would have reached something with him a
year ago, same goes for Adam. and finally why didn't they show the love
to your guy Willie? only one reason, they valued him out of the equation
for anything other than chump change, for this year anyway, and they
knew he was going to get it elsewhere and they could have wrapped him up
over the winter yet they didn't because its clear, it wasn't a priority.
in some ways there is really no mystery about Bill Belichick, he has his
plan and sticks to it come hell or high water and who can doubt him with
the most winning football coach in the new millennium. but, when he
really wants something, he usually finds a way to make it happen and
Willie was surely flexible enough but yet it didn't happen. given this,
those guys were gone before it ever started without any plans to keep
Seymour. as i said, I think counting last year, this team is in a mini
rebuilding mindset, sacrificing some play now for building young talent
down the read.

back to the 20 mill in cap space. with that kind of cap space they have
right now, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for Bill to give one
of those mega deals but absorb it's usually deadly future impact. it
make sense to cease the opportunity, if indeed in the end, Seymour does
want to stay for a reasonable yearly avg if he were shown the love in
money's upfront. good for Big Sey, 2 years 22 mill, and good for the
future of the team with cap leverage for players down the road, which is
probably the other main mantra behind BB's personnel decisions, a eye
into future cap health.
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