Re: now M$ quoting fix

$Bill wrote:
Terraholm wrote:
$Bill wrote:
Terraholm wrote:
OE works fine without quote fix, quote fix is merely an
improvement.
There's where we disagree. It's not an improvement, but a fix to
make it work like all other mail clients already do.

All other mail clients have perfect and color coded quotes?

I would say proper rather than perfect and color is a rendering
enhancement that really isn't part of the actual quoting.

Coloring the seperate quotes by how many quote marks, and compressing the
quote marks makes it an enhancement then, because it is easier to follow in
long posts...

I'm only
referring to the quoting sent out in the reply email.

Quotefix does other stuff.


While it takes an extra 3 minutes to add quote fix once...but if you
have a hotmail account, and millions do, you have to use the
website...every time...

That still doesn't alter the fact that it's a M$ bug - just admit it.
;)

OE allows for different quote marks by option, quotefix returns them to my
preference and fixes them when they get out of place. Part fix part addon...
Name all the mozzila clients without any bugs...


When using Firefox I often run into programs where I often have to
wait while it goes and finds some 3rd party plugin and installs it.
Does not function without it...
That's not a function of Firefox, but a function of the page you're
visiting which requires that add-on.

Already included to handle it in other browsers.

Name a feature or two that you're referring to and some browsers that
include it so we can get on the same page.

Often used PDF reader included in IE, add-on in firefox.
So is that a fix or an enhancement?



A decade ago that was true and still is somewhat if you want
shoppers...but we no longer design web sites for the people with the
least computers, software and 28k dial up.
Most web design is for high speed and let the rest catch up.

Not the least, but the common. If you fail to design for the common,
you lose hits.

Many are aimed at the people who can watch them at high speed, not the ones
that are behind the curve.
Simple databased LMA page
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01.html

NBA LMA page, widgets available links with videos
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lamarcus_aldridge/index.html?nav=page

Flash full page animation LMA page selling him to reporters voting on MIP
http://www.ripcityrising.com/


The internet is evolving and a browser needs to keep up, we are not
telling the world not to use innovations that delivered better
quality video streams at high speeds because some browsers will not
show it without an add-on.

Again, what are these features that you are referring to ? And why
would it matter whether it's builtin or an add-on ? An add-on is more
versatile and can more easily be updated, so I don't follow this line
of logic.


Various times I have found I have to install a different video player.
Especially watching BBall games.
Netflix stream add-on do not work with firefox, have to go use IE

Not just add-ons.
At times Firefox could not handle a menu or other simple stuff too.
Until the last year there was for instance a drop menu in the NBA schedules
and scores for previous years, FF would not use the links. To get to
previous box scores I had to go use IE.
Sometimes forms will not submit...that one is a pain and has not happened on
IE when I have to go redo the form there. Happened today when I was
ordering new checks from me bank's site.
It kicks out cookies I just approved and is hard to get it to accept them
again no matter how I add in the approve acceptions.

A friend used the Skype add-on (calling) and so google maps and other stuff
no longer worked...


Some of those simple things you listed have to be added on to
firefox after a new install.

Is that some sort of problem ? I still think it's an advantage.

Good... then quotefix is an advantage too...


Why is a PDF viewer add-on an improvement not a fix when other
browsers already have it built in? While quotefix making a mail file
that opens and is perfectly useable prettier is a fix?

Using add-ons vs builtin functions is a choice you make when you
design a browser.

Like who does not want a PDF reader instead of having to download the file
and then reading them seperately?

Add-ons allow you to work on various functionality without
affecting the basic browser - you can update at different intervals,
etc. I consider that a feature rather than a problem.

I was using my hotmail account before MS bought it, and it did not
download to mozzila clients then either.
MS bought it to add a free email service to their network which at
that time was well behind AOL in hogging that market.

So other companies have the same problems as M$ - that's a good
argument ?

You were saying it was my bad decision to use an MS free product...it was
not MS when I started using it. But OE downloaded it then and does now.
Inconveniencing myself as some sort of protest is dumber than I am blond...

There are plenty of good email sites that have proper
IMAP/POP servers to allow any normal email client retrieve your email.

I think a 'normal' client should be able to read my accounts not me have to
change to ones it can read.

You don't
reward companies that try to make proprietary software to force out
the competition

I was not 10 years ago and I am not now changing out email addresses I have
used for a decade just to show up microsoft...like they would ever know or
feel the hurt from my not using their free email service...

(at least I don't). :)

bravo...do you get a metal for that?

Why are you an NBA fan when they forced the ABA out of business?


Nope in each case it changes the appearance of the content... they
are both functional, we can live fine with ads or without the quotes
separated by color... And no one is as uptight as you about line
wrap in usenet... =)

Up tight ? As in I don't meander all over the page and actually
attempt to make it as readable for the reader as I can ? Every minute
that
you take as a writer saves thousands of minutes of other people's
reading time.

lol

That seems like something that others could take heed
of - especially these M$ bred idiots under 30 or so (the 'me'
generation). ;)

bull we are all here on asbnll wasting time...


Linewrap can be adjusted in OE options anyway, quotefix just does it
for you. And cleans up other peoples incoming messages that are
messy.

Color has nothing to do with it - that's just local rendering to help
you read.

Right an enhancement.


Besides TBird has other problems than OE.
Did they ever fix Thunderbird's failure to mark cross-posted
messages as read when you had read them in another newsgroup.

I have no idea - I never encounter that problem since I don't read
from cross-posted groups.

Does it still suck for filtering power? Very limited number of
headers that can be filtered last time I tried it.

Probably true, but it's a matter of getting enough people to feedback
that they think it's an issue. After all, they don't have a
billionaire backing the code base.

From what I have seen many think TBird is a good mail client but a bad
newsreader and switch to something else for news like the unix PAN
http://pan.rebelbase.com (pan is short for Pimp Ass Newsreader, how is that
for anti MS?) or Platform-independent NewsSieve.

Which for me defeats again what I like about OE, unlike TBird it does
everything " I " need it to do in the newsreader too.


But that's still just a weak
feature rather than a bug - the bugs get fixed quick, the enhancements
come second.

Those things bugged me along with it could not download all of my
accounts...I went back to OE...


--
Laurel T
"Even Jesus had trouble with 12 guys."
Frank Layden


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