Re: now M$ quoting fix

Terraholm wrote:
$Bill wrote:
Terraholm wrote:
OE works fine without quote fix, quote fix is merely an improvement.
There's where we disagree. It's not an improvement, but a fix to make
it work like all other mail clients already do.

All other mail clients have perfect and color coded quotes?

I would say proper rather than perfect and color is a rendering enhancement
that really isn't part of the actual quoting. I'm only referring to the
quoting sent out in the reply email.

While it takes an extra 3 minutes to add quote fix once...but if you have a hotmail account, and millions do, you have to use the website...every time...

That still doesn't alter the fact that it's a M$ bug - just admit it. ;)

When using Firefox I often run into programs where I often have to
wait while it goes and finds some 3rd party plugin and installs it.
Does not function without it...
That's not a function of Firefox, but a function of the page you're
visiting which requires that add-on.

Already included to handle it in other browsers.

Name a feature or two that you're referring to and some browsers that
include it so we can get on the same page.

A decade ago that was true and still is somewhat if you want shoppers...but we no longer design web sites for the people with the least computers, software and 28k dial up.
Most web design is for high speed and let the rest catch up.

Not the least, but the common. If you fail to design for the common,
you lose hits.

The internet is evolving and a browser needs to keep up, we are not telling the world not to use innovations that delivered better quality video streams at high speeds because some browsers will not show it without an add-on.

Again, what are these features that you are referring to ? And why
would it matter whether it's builtin or an add-on ? An add-on is more
versatile and can more easily be updated, so I don't follow this line
of logic.

Some of those simple things you listed have to be added on to firefox after a new install.

Is that some sort of problem ? I still think it's an advantage.

Why is a PDF viewer add-on an improvement not a fix when other browsers already have it built in? While quotefix making a mail file that opens and is perfectly useable prettier is a fix?

Using add-ons vs builtin functions is a choice you make when you design
a browser. Add-ons allow you to work on various functionality without
affecting the basic browser - you can update at different intervals, etc.
I consider that a feature rather than a problem.

I was using my hotmail account before MS bought it, and it did not download to mozzila clients then either.
MS bought it to add a free email service to their network which at that time was well behind AOL in hogging that market.

So other companies have the same problems as M$ - that's a good argument ?
There are plenty of good email sites that have proper IMAP/POP servers
to allow any normal email client retrieve your email. You don't reward
companies that try to make proprietary software to force out the competition
(at least I don't). :)

Nope in each case it changes the appearance of the content... they are both functional, we can live fine with ads or without the quotes separated by color... And no one is as uptight as you about line wrap in usenet... =)

Up tight ? As in I don't meander all over the page and actually attempt
to make it as readable for the reader as I can ? Every minute that you
take as a writer saves thousands of minutes of other people's reading time.
That seems like something that others could take heed of - especially these
M$ bred idiots under 30 or so (the 'me' generation). ;)

Linewrap can be adjusted in OE options anyway, quotefix just does it for you. And cleans up other peoples incoming messages that are messy.

Color has nothing to do with it - that's just local rendering to help
you read. It's the way it sends the reply out that is the problem. An
email client *MUST* properly quote the reply to show proper attribution
or you can create chaos (at least arguments) on the reading end.

Quotefix also gives you options on how the headers look, there is an addon for TBird for that
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/760

This isn't about rendering - it's about what's in the reply email.
There is not enough info in that writeup to even vaguely describe what
it does.

Besides TBird has other problems than OE.
Did they ever fix Thunderbird's failure to mark cross-posted messages as
read when you had read them in another newsgroup.

I have no idea - I never encounter that problem since I don't read from
cross-posted groups.

Does it still suck for filtering power? Very limited number of
headers that can be filtered last time I tried it.

Probably true, but it's a matter of getting enough people to feedback
that they think it's an issue. After all, they don't have a billionaire
backing the code base. But that's still just a weak feature rather than
a bug - the bugs get fixed quick, the enhancements come second.

.

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