Re: {OT] - Postal Shooting in Goleta


Jeff Mayner wrote:
> PeterL wrote:
> > JC Martin wrote:
> >> PeterL wrote:
> >>> JC Martin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> PeterL wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Jeff Mayner wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Yep, I was there. You're going to hear a bunch about this
> >>>>>> incident over the next few days and I thought I'd let you know
> >>>>>> the story, or what there is of the story so far, from one who
> >>>>>> was there. Probably hear some things you wont hear on the news
> >>>>>> or read in the papers as far as what led up to this tragedy.
> >>>>>> Management is in full-on, info clamp down mode at this moment.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, *** 'em.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jeff (is that you or are you reposting?), I know it's natural to
> >>>>> blame management for everything after a traumatic event. It's
> >>>>> natural to blame someone, and management is the most convenient
> >>>>> target. But think about your own reaction when you found out
> >>>>> there was a shooting. You were not behaving rationally yourself
> >>>>> (e.g. yelling at fully armed police). Management are people too.
> >>>>> They were all probably scared and confused just like you were,
> >>>>> Why would you expect anyone to calmly do the rational things at
> >>>>> such times?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Because it's their fucking job to be a cut above. That's what
> >>>> they get paid for.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> They get paid for managing the facility. Having a workplace
> >>> shooting is not something that happens that often. You can prepare
> >>> for it, but when it does happen no plant managers are really
> >>> trained for that.
> >>
> >>
> >> Does a manager now have to be trained to call employees in shielded
> >> rooms in order to let them no what's happening. ***, that should be
> >> pure instinct for anyone with half a brain. And aren't managers
> >> supposed to have at least half of brain?
> >>
> >
> > Neither you nor I have been in a combat type situation in a workplace.
> > I wouldn't know how I would react. But as far as I know very few
> > managers are trained to react when there is a shooting in the
> > workplace. I have gone through one several years ago right after a
> > workplace shooting in San Diego. I can tell you that after 2 hours
> > with the trainer I am no better equiped to deal with such an event as
> > before the workshop.
> >
> > I think you'd be surprised at where your half a brain went when people
> > are shooting at you.
>
> Come on guys. It was a horrific situation that was not dealt with in a
> professional manner by the people we count on to do so. That's the bottom
> line. I was almost killed by the cops because my supervisors did not tell
> the police that we were still in our room. The supervisors new we were
> there. They discussed us. They just did not do anything themselves (of
> course at the time what could they do) but what was really bad is they did
> not tell the cops we were in there when they had the chance. I am _not_
> exagerating when I say I was a hair's breadth from eating lead.
>
> I'm glad I made it and I'm sad others did not. I guess that's the real
> bottom line, huh?
> >

Here is an article with names. Seems at least one supervisor was able
to tell his employees to get out.


> >> -JC

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