Re: Torre rejects offer

On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:08:16 -0400, Thermos <cfbltw@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Oct 19, 8:59 am, lanman <xlanm...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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Pepe Papon wrote:
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:27:38 -0400, "Thermos" <cfb...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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So long Joe.
Not sure I would have taken just one year, either if I were him.
The money was more than fair...but one year seems like a stunt that allows the Yankees
to say "Hey, we tried."
I am a bit disappointed, if that is the case - low-balling him out of NY isn't exactly
the right way to go about things (not low-balling in terms of money - but in terms of
years)
Between the pay cut and the 1 year, they had to know he'd turn it down. I didn't want him
here for 2007, but this was not the right way to treat the man.
How would you have handled it?
I would have told him right after the series ended that he wasn't going
to be asked back and given him the opportunity to announce that to the
press as he saw fit.
There was obviously a split camp in Tampa, or they would have done
that. They made a very fair, imo, offer based upon performace, or lack
thereof. Do you think Torre will get $7.5+ mil from his next team. Do
you think he'll even get $5mil plus incentives?

I don't think that's remotely relevant. Derek Jeter wouldn't have
received the same contract from the Brewers that he did from the
Yankees either. Pretending that the Yankees are somehow on the same
pay scale as the rest of the league is goofy. The Yankees didn't cut
his pay because of concerns about his salary, they cut his pay because
they knew he wouldn't accept that. Brian Cashman wouldn't accept it
if they did it to him, nor would Randy Levine. There's nothing "fair"
about pretending to make a good faith offer when it is designed to be
rejected.

Of course it's relevant, but if Torre wants to stand on principle and
lose millions in salary - that's his prerogative. While it's true the
Yankees have a liberal payscale, it's designed to bring home a WS
every year.

Well, you've had a big glass of the Steinbrenner KoolAid, then. Derek
Jeter and Hideki Matsui are not overpaid because they are so much more
likely to bring a world series than their peers. They are overpaid
because they are marketable and because the Yankees make a lot of money
from the marketing of their team, and that's the same reason Joe Torre
was overpaid.

I reject that comparison. People do come to the ballpark to watch
marquee players and fan favorites. They don't come to the park to
watch managers manage.

He's the same guy he was when the Steinbrenners gave him
his last contract.

Not really. When Torre got his three year extension in 2004 before the
season began, he had just taken the Yankees to game six in the World
Series. If the Yankees under Torre had not been eliminated in the
first round for the last three years, I believe Torre would still be
the Yankee's manager. I don't think George expect to actually win
every WS, but I think he expects to get there.


They didn't reduce his salary because the team
failed to win a world series, they reduced it to a level they could be
assured he would not accept. This is as plain as day.

They reduced his salary because they were unabashedly dissatisfied
with his performance. I think their offer was too generous to be
absolutely sure he wouldn't take it.

Now we know after Joe's interview, it was the one year contract with
incentives that bothered him the most, not just money. Personally, I
think Joe was stupid to turn that down. Now I suppose he'll sulk for a
few years like Yogi did and refuse to come to the Stadium.


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