Re: Cairo
- From: "Erasmus \"The Mannequin\" Brown" <hotsoup@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:22:14 -0400
"BadgerBC" <neilrichardson3819@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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: Bill in Schenectady wrote:
: > "Kenny1111" <kcyanks1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
: > news:4ef304F1borcaU1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
: > > Bill in Schenectady wrote:
: > >> Never a kind word for Cairo here. Let's put it in perspective. He's
not
: > >> on
: > >> the team to play every day. He's on the team to fill in at any
infield
: > >> position. Unfortunately, that need has been there a lot lately.
: > >
: > >
: > > That's the problem. He should not fill in at 1B if Phillips or even
: > > Bernie is healthy. Or as bad as Stinnett is, since Posada needs
: > > occasional days off, they could have Posada at 1B and Stinnett catch,
: > > giving Posada a semi-day off. Cairo at 1B is pure stupidity by the
: > > manager. In every game where Cairo has played at 1B, there has been
: > > *no* legitimate reason for it. Torre deserves to be harshly
criticized
: > > for playing Cairo at 1B. The depth of stupidity required to do that
in
: > > the circumstances in which he has done it is unspeakable.
: >
: > What makes you think Posada can play first base? Has he ever played it
: > before. It's like like you can go out from behind the plate and
suddenly be
: > able to dive to get a screamer down the line! Even Giambi at least has
some
: > ability in that area. Also, as has been shown in past years, Posada
needs
: > his days off. Playing first base is hardly a semi-day off.
:
: I agree. If they're going to give Jorge a day off, do it completely or
: perhaps DH if Sheff or Giambi are healthy enough to play the field.
: Playing 1B is easier than say SS, CF or C but if a player hasn't done
: it enough (Jorge has played 16 games in his career) and lacks
: confidence, it can be quite stressful which would defeat the purpose of
: the rest day.
:
: >
: > Cairo shouldn't be in the outfield, but that was an emergency move.
Cairo
: > can capably play any infield position, however. That adds flexibility
to
: > the bench.
: >
: Well capably is a stretch. You can get flexibility other ways like by
: splitting the reserve duties. There is absolutely no reason why ARod
: can't slide over to short if Derek needs a day off (other than
: clubhouse politics) as you don't want to take both guys out at the same
: time. You can get a bopper like Branyan who can play 3B or 1B for
: those days. And you only have to worry about filling in for Robbie
: (who will need no more than a handful of rest days) with a pinch runner
: like Christian or even carry Escalona/Johnson for 2B. You don't need a
: mediocre jack-of-all trades if you try a little creativity. We know
: why Cairo is there. It was the same for Bellinger. The difference in
: teams is that when Clay was on the team, Joe had much better options
: among bench bats but now he doesn't. That's why we're seeing the
: travesty of Joe plugging in Cairo for his ridiculous "enegy level"
: nonsense.
:
:
: > > Otherwise, while the Yankees should have been able to do better than
: > > Cairo as a back up, playing him when Jeter or ARod (or Cano) are hurt
is
: > > acceptable. He's not a great back-up, but he is the best option to
back
: > > up Jeter or ARod as the roster is constructed. Not the case for 1B.
: >
: > At this pont, Phillips should continue to play first base until he needs
a
: > rest or until he begins to slump. You can be certain that Torre will
: > continue to play the hot hand.
: >
:
: Maybe. But clearly Joe is prejudiced against Andy for some unknown
: reason. I suspect it has something to do with the front office as to
: why Andy is playing or not playing. It's not an accident that Cashman
: refuses to promote Pena even though he's been hitting in Columbus.
:
: > >
: > >> Most guys....Phillips is one....don't hit at all with occasional
play.
: > >
: > > You don't know that. He hasn't had enough at-bats with occasional
play
: > > to draw any conclusion. Of course, if he plays occasionally he may
: > > never get enough at bats to draw any conclusion.
: >
: > Look at the record. Nobody gets enough at bats with occassional play.
So
: > you are forcing your own argument. Phillips didn't get hot until he was
in
: > the lineup every day. The guy's not a kid any more. He's 29. And he
has
: > shown that he needs games in a row to get his batting stroke down.
: >
: > I say play him now. Play him full time. DH Giambi with an occassional
: > switch to get Giambi some field time and keep his first base skills as
fresh
: > as they can be (given who we're talking about). If Phillips doesn't hit
for
: > a week, play him for another week. If he doesn't hit for two weeks,
then
: > maybe we really only have a fill in type player.
:
: I agree with this but the problem was Joe buried him long before he
: even gave him a chance. After a long layoff he had him make his first
: start against Johan Santana who arguably has the best changeup in the
: AL. And Andy is a dead red fb hitter. How often have you heard Joe
: make disparaging remarks about a player? That's why it was shocking in
: the spring when Joe basically called Andy a scrub. Now Joe clearly has
: forgotten more about baseball than I'll ever know but when it comes to
: evaluating players, Joe is hardly a George Weiss or Tom Greenwade. Joe
: wanted Bob Watson to trade Mariano in the spring of 1996 (it's in his
: own autobiography) because he didn't think much of him after two weeks.
: That's remarkable to me that he can have such a quick trigger. (Thank
: God George picked Watson over Joe since Torre had interviewed for both
: GM and manager's job) I'm not saying Phillips is the next Jay Buhner
: or Richie Sexson. No one is doing that, but when you've got very
: little off the bench, you have to use him over the likes of Miguel
: Cairo whom you know doesn't provide either better defense or offense.
: I was never that high on Phillips (I saw more of Jimmy Leyritz
: comparisons) but Stick Michael and Brian Cashman are very high on
: Phillips' potential. Stick basically compared him to Millar this
: winter and it probably explains why the Yanks passed on a lot of 1B/DH
: types. While Joe knows far more about baseball than I ever would, he's
: a moron when it comes to player evaluation in contrast to Stick.
: That's why I was bashing Joe on Phillips (and believe me I've been a
: Torre defender for a long long time here but he's been disappointing
: this season).
:
: >
: > >> Cairo can come off the bench, play decent defense, and get some hits.
: > >> Sure,
: > >> he's .250 with no power, but he's gotten a number of key hits when
he's
: > >> played. He's much better than Enrique Wilson, who played the same
role
: > >> before.
: > >
: > > Getting key hits is not a skill. Cairo is not a good hitter. His
role,
: > > until they get someone better, should be strictly to fill in for
Jeter,
: > > Arod, or Cano in situations where one of them really needs a day off.
: >
: > Getting key hits is not a skill? This from the group that blasts A-Rod
: > every time he fails in a key situation? I've seen Cairo come up with
men on
: > base, work the count, get the ball in play, and often get a hit. That
takes
: > skill. Many guys can't do that coming off the bench.
: >
:
: Who are they? I don't recall Kenny ever blasting ARod for not getting
: key hits. If you think Cairo possesses such skills I have no idea to
: what you're referring here. He's no Manny Mota or even John Vander
: Wal.
:
: > >>
: > >> This is not a role for a rookie. Rookies should be brought up to
play,
: > >> not
: > >> to play a utility role. Phillips finally has his chance and may be
hard
: > >> to
: > >> sit back down. Same with Melky. Neither would have bloomed in a
part
: > >> time
: > >> utility role.
: > >
: > > It depends. A rookie like Cabrera, who has a potential future, should
: > > play every day. Someone like Phillips or Thompson, who can contribute
: > > now based on the other options, are not guys who necessarily have to
: > > play every day. They aren't great prospects; their future is now.
: > > Unfortunately as the Yanks constructed their roster, Phillips
basically
: > > should be an every day player. But that's not because he's a rookie,
: > > but because they don't have better options. If they called up Pena, a
: > > Phillips-Pena platoon (with perhaps giving Phillips a few starts
against
: > > righties) would make sense, and I would not have concerns about
keeping
: > > Phillips on the bench when Pena plays.
: >
: > Then you take up two roster spots for two back up players who can only
play
: > first base. That makes no sense when you have a guy, Cairo, who can
play
: > any infield position. If Phillips washes out, then bring up Pena to be
the
: > back up first baseman. However, Pena is 28, has some pop, but hasn't
shown
: > that he can hit with any consistency. I don't know how Pena is
defensively,
: > but between Phillips and Pena, I'd say you only have room for one and if
: > they are relatively close offensively, then you keep the better
defensive
: > player.
: >
:
: That is such an inflexible approach that I can't understand why you're
: advocating it. Pena or Andy can pinch hit for Stinnett, Melky,
: Thompson, Bubba or any other questionable bats (I'm adding Melky
: because he's unproven) late in games.
After Melky's AB vs. Wagner - not to mention what he's done since - I don't
think I PH for him any more...
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