Re: What is the "bottom line" on Wright and Reyes, going forward ?

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 20:13:25 -0700 (PDT), montygraham
<monty1945@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'm not going to argue about what constitutes rudeness.

Of course you are, because you're a self-righteous twit and you can't
help yourself.

I can "take it,"

Clearly that's not true, since you've been whining incessantly for the
past few days now about how the other posters here have been so mean
to you. Of course, you're such a self-absorbed narcissist that it
would never occur to you that people are merely treating you as you've
treated others, but that's typical troll behavior.

but it's ridiculous to accuse me of being rude when others are
being vicious and disgusting towards me.

For your information, this isn't talk radio, where you get to say
whatever comes into your head and then hang up the phone before
anyone can respond. Here, when you express an opinion, people get
to respond, in whatever manner they see fit. You've repeatedly
challenged the integrity and intelligence of everyone who has
disagreed with you, so you have no business acting surprised when
those people respond in kind. If you don't like the language that
some of us use, well, that's too bad. People sometimes use nasty
words when dealing with an abusive poster, so knock off this
self-indulgent "poor me" routine, put on your big boy pants and
deal with it.

Talk to them about it, if it's a big concern of yours.

You're the one who's trolling this group, which means you're the one
who really needs to hear it.

When people use such language over such "minor" discussions,

They're not "minor" discussions at this point. This has been going
on with you since May, and you've managed to turn what should have
been a fairly innocuous topic into an obsessive, five-month long
crusade.

I do think there is a mental stability issue,

There probably is, but not where you think it is.

and suggest they seek professional help, seriously (not as an insult).

I think you need to examine your own behavior here. When you post
and repost essentially the same message daily for months on end while
repeating claims that have been discredited numerous times, you've
gone well beyond the bounds of reasonable discourse. If anything,
such behavior borders on harassment, and when you justify it as an
attempt to "educate" the newsgroup and dismiss anyone who disagrees
with you as "delusional," it's pretty clear that you're looking to
antagonize people. Instead of worrying about the way people are
responding to your trolls, you might do better to ask yourself why you
feel the need to provoke them in the first place. Perhaps
professional help is indeed called for, but I wouldn't rule out the
possibility that you're just an obnoxious, attention-seeking jerk.
As to Wright, he said he wanted to get back to 2008 form, but he has
not been able to accomplish this for two years in a row now.

Athletes are not robots. Their careers have peaks and valleys. Babe
Ruth had the two best seasons of his career at the ages of 25 and 26,
but the fact that he didn't reach that level again doesn't mean that
he didn't remain an extraordinarily valuable player.

The idea that he is coming into his prime is simply not warranted based on
reality,

The reality is that he's 27 years old. Numerous studies have shown
that an athlete's physical prime typically occurs during his late 20s,
with the peak years generally occurring between the ages of 27 and
29..

whether it's because of his personality,

You know nothing about his personality, other than whatever propaganda
your Wright-hating pal Mike Francesa is feeding his listeners.

because pitchers have "figured him out," or for some other reason.

I suppose it's possible that Wright may never again have as good a
year as he had in 2008, although I don't think that's likely. What's
unfair about your analysis, though, is that you're comparing Wright to
himself, when the proper comparison should be Wright to his peers at
third base. Among NL third basemen, Wright currently ranks second
behind only Ryan Zimmerman in OPS, and trails only Mark Reynolds
(currently batting .201) in homeruns. Defensively, although he
leads the NL with 20 errors, he also ranks first by a wide margin in
total chances, leads all NL third basemen in putouts and assists and
ranks second in double plays. Overall, he's still among the very
best in the majors at his position.

You could have said
this about Ollie Perez not that long ago, but now he looks totally
"washed up."

With the exception of one year in Pittsburgh, Oliver Perez has never
been an All-Star caliber performer, and he's been unable to perform at
a major league level for some time now. His situation is in no way
comparable to David Wright's.

Whether he can get back to 2008 is not known, and the
Mets will have to decide on a clear direction at this point or risk
"floundering" for several more years.

How about putting better players around him? If you replaced David
Wright with Albert Pujols, the current Met lineup would still stink.
I have a feeling they will use
the last 4 years as an excuse to make major changes, but even though I
like this approach, they may make some major mistakes. I don't know
if Wright is "coachable," for example,

See, now that's the kind of statement that antagonizes people,
because there's absolutely no foundation for it. When has David
Wright ever said or done anything that would lead one to believe this?
While players like Alex Rodriguez and Carlos Beltran have generated
plenty of negative headlines and bad publicity, Wright has
scrupulously avoided any sort of controversy, and has consistently
shown himself to be one of the most cooperative, approachable and
well-behaved young athletes ever to don a Met uniform. If
either Dwight Gooden or Darryl Strawberry had ever demonstrated
Wright's level of self-discipline, they'd be shining their plaques up
in Cooperstown right now.

but if I were the owner I would
need to determine this before deciding if a trade was even worth
thinking about.

If you were the owner, it wouldn't be an issue anymore. You'd have
long since dealt Wright away during one of your frequent temper
tantrums, most likely for a group of minor leaguers who would have no
measurable impact on the team this year or next, and Mike Hessman
would be playing third base for the Mets right now. Lest we forget,
the overriding theme from you for months on end here was that Wright
"had to go," and that his absence from the lineup would constitute
"addition by subtraction." This latent outburst of reasonableness is
welcome, but it's not consistent with anything you've written here up
until now.

A major problem here is that the owners seem "out to lunch," and they
give no "guidance" to the public. If they are "playing it close to
the vest" so as not to let other teams know what their real intentions
are, that's great, but from what I've seen it's more likely that they
are lost and have no idea what to do, other than fire Jerry. I am
making suggestions about what I have seen and what I have heard from
people like the Mets commentators. After what I've seen of this team
over the last several years and also what seems to be a "penny-
pinching" approach, I would rather see a bunch of young players like
Duda and Davis, with a few veterans they can get "on the cheap." In
other words, just about everyone could be cut or sent to the minors
easily.

That sounds pretty much like what they already have, minus Reyes and
Wright. You must enjoy watching them finish fourth.

The "nightmare scenario" is if they pay Wright and Reyes huge
money with 5+ year deals, and we just get the same, if not worse.

If they get just the same, that means they're getting two of the most
productive players in the game at their respective positions for at
least five more years. Contrary to what you seem to think, that
would be a good thing.

I'm hoping that they have already decided not to give either one of them
big deals and instead test the market for them. Then, if they can't
make a good deal, and they have "bouncback years" in 2011, they can
keep them in good conscience.

If you had bothered to check out Wright's contractual situation, you'd
know that this won't be an issue until after the 2012 season at the
earliest. With $29 million already committed to Wright for the next
two seasons, and with the Mets holding a $16 million club option for
2013, there's really no reason for them to even be thinking about his
next contract right now. Reyes is a different story, but I suspect
the team will pick up his option for 2011 and then make an assessment
regarding his future at some point before the end of the season.

If not, they can trade them right
before the trade deadline and just make the best deal possible, also
obtaining "addition by subtraction."

And that, Monty, is the kind of foolish, obnoxious aside that gets you
branded as a troll. Regardless of what you think of them, it's not
"addition by subtraction" to get rid of the team's only legitimate
power threat and it's only proven leadoff hitter, and it's certainly
never a good idea to "just make the best deal possible." You don't
trade two valuable players unless you're assured of obtaining
comparable value in return. What you're proposing here is to make
a trade for the sake of making one, and that's just flat-out dumb.
.

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