Re: Yeah......Right!!!

On Jun 11, 8:07 am, tmp <t...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
jonathan wrote:
On Jun 10, 9:57 pm, Ruben Safir <ru...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:14:11 -0700, jonathan wrote:
Look Ruben, if you want to argue with me that WAR is useless, then
that's fine.  I don't think you'd be surprised to learn that I don't
believe there is one universal stat.
Yeah - that might be why WAR is so problematic because it proposes to be
just that.  BTW - what you think of Neise :)

I think what terrifies me about Niese is what terrifies me about all
young Mets pitchers.  They're growing up in the Dan Warthen school of
walking people.  Niese's 1st pitch strike % is 55%.  That's too low..
I think there is definite potential there, including the curveball you
admire so much, but I'm really concerned there is no defined
development plan.

Last night was the exception for this season.  Otherwise, you're
talking about another young Mets pitcher who throws a lot of pitches
to achieve his result.  That's the opposite of what you want to see
and very concerning.

I understand the Warthen concerns, but rather than being one isolated
good start, last night made 2 very good starts in a row. The previous
start against Florida was 7 IP, 6 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K, 90 pitches. And he
also had a similar good game against Philly in late April with 1 walk in
7 innings.

Admittedly, most of the other starts were shaky, with a lot of pitches
thrown per inning - although his overall walk rate isn't bad - about 3
per 9 innings.

Warthen has a 20 year history of his staffs walking people. At every
stop in his career as a pitching staff, walks went up, and when he
left, walks went back down. Those are facts. His staff is presently
#2 in baseball in BB/9 this year after being #1 for most of the season
and after finishing #2 last year. To put that into context, no Mets
pitching staff has EVER finished higher then 3rd prior to last season.

I'm sorry, but putting young pitchers in the hands of somebody who's
results seem to be throwing lots of pitches and walking people doesn't
inspire confidence that long term they will succeed.

Pitchers with prior success have walked more people under Warthen.
It's not just the young guys.
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