Re: How good of a defender was Tommy Agee

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:26:50 -0700, jonathan wrote:

On Aug 26, 8:07 pm, Ruben <ru...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:59:08 -0700, jonathan wrote:
On Aug 25, 10:50 pm, Ruben <ru...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:29:59 -0700, jonathan wrote:

There are obviously more, but you can see Agee was pretty good.  What
you can also see is how sick Andruw Jones was, especially when he was
very young in the late 90's.  His numbers in '98-'00 were sick.  This
guy was in the mid 30's in fielding runs above average per season.
That's something most of the list never did once, let alone multiple
times.  You can also see how certain guys have reps (Mays) that are
well-deserved but a guy like Flood wasn't the best of his era like
many thought, especially in comparison to somebody like Blair who was
outstanding.

I don't think Mays was ever a part timers.  That aside, I've been trying
to look more closely at the fielding stats because I still think fielding
is under rated.  We all saw the two Agee catches, and those were un
believable and unique in WS history.  and FWIW, I don't recall anyone
considering Paul Blair under rated ... he was generally considered the
best in the business.

Maybe you can explain some of the math behind some of these stats?  And
how was Agee specifically in 1969?

Ruben

Anyone who has done any work with fielding stats will admit that they
still have a long way to go, particularly in comparison to offensive
and pitching stats which are much more straight forward.  That's part
of my point about how when you look at a player and ALL of the
fielding stats are above average, that tends to be a better barometer
then any single stat.  I used a single stat simply for convenience and
because I thought it was interesting.

In 1969 Agee, as a CF, was worth 10.5 Total Fielding Runs above
average.  That wasn't his best seasno.  He was actually much better in
'66 (16.8), '67 (16.1), and '70 (12.1).

These numbers are remarkably complicated.  They also vary depending on
who calculates them.  Pete Palmer started a lot of this in Total
Baseball years ago.  His definition of fielding runs is:

http://www.tangotiger.net/wiki/index.php?title=Fielding_Runs

The baseball-reference glossary used to have all of the calculations
for how these stats come about but they're not up there anymore.

What most annoys me is that the leader club OPS+ and ERA+ isn;t desplayed
any longer the franchise history.

Ruben

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No those are the career leaders. The individual season leaders used to be
listed on this page...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/

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