Re: Think To Next Season, Trade Delgado!
- From: Grimm-RHD <billjill.dwyer@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:29:03 -0700 (PDT)
On Jul 4, 10:02 am, jonathan <jmeri...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 4, 8:00 am, Grimm-RHD <billjill.dw...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Right now there are many holes to fill, that much is obvious. SP and
Bullpen are major holes, and should be first to fill. For the Bullpen,
the only name that comes to mind who'd be cheap is Damaso Marte of the
Pirates or Jack Taschner of the Giants. Unfortunately there are very
little SP's of any true value on the market. Your not getting
Sabathia, and then there is a whole mess of other team's crap, I keep
hearing Blanton...oh God please no!. Best bet would be looking for a
young pitcher right now. Combine this with Alou, and you never know.
Why would any team trade a young pitcher with potential for a broken
down, expensive OF who can't stay on the field. If he can't play, he
can't help you. Do you think this is 1999? Most teams don't make
deals like this anymore. The trade market has shifted. There is very
little young pitching traded now because most teams understand how
much value it has.
Because even the Rays have their limits. They have a glut at the SP
position and have even put Hammels in the bullpen in order to keep him
on the team. It doesn't hurt to try and just because you believe
teams haven't done this since 1999, doesn't mean you don't pick up the
phone and try. The point being the Rays have a glut at a position,
and other teams know it. It can be very easy to nab him cheaper than
he'd be if he was in the rotation on an every day basis.
Alou has got to go. He still has power and can still contribute, his
only problem is injuries. So hopefully he'll be off the DL in time,
but let's assume he will. Turn to TB. They are looking for an every
day RF, badly. OK yes, I know Alou isn't a RF right now. Ask him to
play for the best record in baseball, he may just be happy. Trade
Alou to TB for either Edwin Jackson or Jason Hammel and Jonny Gomes.
Alou isn't healthy. He's not going to be healthy. Why would the
Devil Rays give you anything for a guy who makes 8 million dollars and
is no guarantee to be out there the rest of the season? I'm sorry.
The Rays are finally winning, and they're doing it by investing in
their young players.
I agree Alou isn't healthy, he's not. The Rays ARE finally a good
team fighting in a very tough division. And yes they have done it by
being patient with their young players. Yet now they find themselves
in a very peculiar position. THEY are the ones looking for an
everyday RF and THEY are the ones who have depth at a position they
can use to trade from. They are the ones looking for a change.
Rumors have positioned the Rays at wanting to deal one of the SP's
(Jackson or Hammel) and are looking for an every day RF'er. According
to MLB.com they have also expressed interest in moving Gomes if they
find an everyday RF. The only question for the Mets, who plays LF,
Church or Gomes. The Rays may or may not want more, and I'd have no
problem negotiating to see what they think.
Try Ryan Church for Hammel. There's a deal I could see the Rays
considering if they're convinced Church would be healthy. If you want
one of those guys so bad, offer Ryan Church. They'll probably also
ask for Fernando Martinez, but start with Church and it's worth a
Hey if that's what it truely takes, then so be it. I was trying to
shoot for both, since both positions effect the other for the Rays.
Replace Alou with Martinez when he's ready and play Gomes in RF.
1B is next, yes I know Delgado has suddenly started to hit, if
anything this gives him slightly better value. If the Mets are still
below .500 by July 31st. They should trade Delgado for a SP or Relief
help, specifically another 7th or 8th inning guy. Then go after
Again, why in the hell does anybody want Carlos Delgado? First base,
despite the difficulty the Mets have had, is not a terribly difficult
position to fill. Delgado has negative value. The Mets would have to
to eat his entire salary, which they won't do, and then give him away
for nothing, and then they have nobody to replace him, unless you're
ready to watch Marlon Anderson play 1B regularly. Mike Carp isn't
close to ready to be an MLB regular.
This one I opened up to trading period, but more to the point, if
Delgado goes, it's to save money. It's not hard to see if the Mets
trade Delgado they have given up the season and at that point, it
doesn't matter. But someone would take a chance especially if he
shows the same power he's had the past week for the rest of this
month. Your going to tell me an AL team on the cusp looking for a bat
(who is suddenly showing signs of life) isn't going to take a shot,
especially if all your looking for is a part time arm? Yes the salary
is a problem, yet I have seen GM's make deals where a contract like
this is not fully eaten, even the Yankees have made deals like this, a
team who has eaten contracts in their sleep. Delgado is making $16M
in 2008. By the time the trade deadline comes around his contract is
down near $8-9M for the remainder of the year, depending when payday
lands. If anything it's also not hard to see him just be let go at
the end of the season, but in that case then there is a $4M buyout for
the team option for 2009, which is the point in trading him now. The
idea is to free up salary for Tex, not who you get back. Besides we
know a big market team already who can use him. The Red Sox have an
Texeria heavy in the off-season to play 1B. This would have a 2-prong
attack. Not only would it improve the offensive and defensive numbers
at 1B. It takes that away from the Braves. Money wouldn't be a problem
considering what the Mets are paying Delgado for cruddy production.
Well, there is the problem that Mark Texeira may or may not want to
play in NY. There's also the problem that other teams have money
too. He's also 29, and isn't having a great year. This could be
Carlos Beltran all over again, where the Mets give a huge contract to
somebody and the fans think he's better then he is, and are then
disappointed when he is 'only' the player he was before the contract.
Since when does other teams having money does it mean you do not
No one said Texeria was the next coming of Babe Ruth, yet he will be
the best option on the market, whether by Trade or FA. NTM, the
Braves might actually trade him. This assumes if the Braves are out
of it by July 31st, and that Texeria will go FA. That fact alone will
keep him on the cheap trade-wise. No team will give up major pieces
for a rent-a-player. Trade Delgado to whomever, then try to trade for
Tex. Then work on a deal. When Tex goes FA, the Mets will already
have a leg up on what Tex & Boras want.
Aforementioned LF has become a hole since Alou is constantly on the
DL. Chavez is a temporary fix, and Tatis/Nixon is not the answer. I
really do hope the Mets rid themselves of all the dead weight in the
off-season. I would love to see Matt Holiday or Adam Dunn in LF. (This
is assuming Dunn's NTC, which is limited to 10 teams right now, has
the Mets on it). Yet considering the Mets farm system isn't what it
used to be, it is likely that none of the above will be available. Yet
Are you referring to the 1980's? When has the Mets farm system been
good in the last 20 years? It's barely made a top 10 list in a very
long time. You have to trade something to get something. The Mets
emptied what was left of their system on Santana, and even that seemed
to be a unique situation. Don't expect any more big deals that don't
involve established players (Wright, Reyes, Beltran).
Your starting to reach for your arguments. I said the Mets system
wasn't good and that the names above wouldn't be moved. Your arguing
something I agree with you on. Come on.
2 names that still intrigue me are Jason Bay (who'd be nicer in the
Mets 2 spot), or Xavier Nady. Yes I know they are not huge names. But
Neither one is a free agent until after 2009, so again, you have to
trade something to get something. The Mets have nothing to trade.
The notion they can trade old and broken (Delgado, Alou) players for
something another team values is just wishful thinking.
And I said 2 names that "intrigue" me. Never did I mention who'd I
trade or what really could be offered. I merely mentioned 2 names
that could be sought after other than the 2 biggest right now. Now
that I think of it. Nady would cost more, considering his season.
Bay on the other hand, nearly went to Cleveland last off-season for
Cliff Lee and Kelly Shoppach and no interest from any other team. Lee
was seen as a 5-8 and a 6.29 ERA pitcher at the time, who was demoted
to Class AAA at one point and Shoppach is a back up Catcher. It would
have been a steal for the Pirates. This is doable as a start for the
I still say the Mets have nothing Tampa Bay actually wants, except
maybe Ryan Church.
Like I said, if that's what it takes, without fully knowing what TB
would ask for, it's all guessing. We just know what they are looking
for. Let's keep in mind when your talking about injuries, Church is
just as susceptible now with his concussions. Leaving today's game
because of dizziness doesn't help. But there is still no reason to
not try with Alou. Especially if he's suppossed to be off the DL
already. (Only thing keeping him on it is the weather in Florida).
If TB comes back and says no, then so be it. But if they are
desperate enough to find a solution in RF and a place to put Gomes (a
player they have been trying to trade), NTM to find a solution to
their rotation, why not try?
Mets need a lot more then parts and role players right now.
This I happen to agree with. Unfortunately the Mets are not getting
Grade A players right now, and won't be for awhile. On top of that
their Minors are not ready to fill holes, so pieces have to come from
somewhere. I'd rather get rid of expensive pieces now.
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