Re: this one's on Willie


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On Jun 13, 2:35 pm, "HockeyDad10901"
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Back To Back Games he pulls the starter who is pitching lights out to go
by
'the book'. Put the freaking book away and let the players play.
Pelfrey
and Santana should have each pitched at least another inning. He pulls
Pelfrey after one batter after letting him hit? What was the strategy
there?
Idiot. And a 3 hitter with 10K's in a must win game he goes to Joe
Smith
when his best pitcher is lights out? 116 pitches. C'mon, you have to
win
THESE games. He is not the manager for this group and he is not really
a
leader, he is a nice bench coach and a good guy. He has infected this
team
with his laid back attitude and non aggressiveness. Fire him. NOW. I
have
never wanted a manager fired more and i have been a Mets fan since 62.

I'm sorry, this is a no win for Willie. Case in point, if he did what
you said and allows Johan to pitch the 8th, and he blows it. Well
it's on Willie there too. Another reason. Johan was at 116 pitches.
Another inning starts to put another averaged 16-17 pitches. That's
133 pitches. If Johan pulls something, or has a freak injury. Well
the blame goes on Willie for allowing him to pitch the 8th.

Look, if Willie gets fired, it's because the team is under
performing...PERIOD, which they are. At this point everyone is
looking for a reason why they are under performing and the current
scapegoat is Willie. Right, wrong or indifferent. If Willie gets
fired, we will see very quickly if it was Willie's fault or the
team's. Cause Manuel is about 180 degrees from Willie. He'll either
light a fire under the team that Willie couldn't. Or the team will
lose focus and interest under all the yelling.


I've read that Manuel has the same approach as Willie. He is NOT a guy who
is 180 degrees the opposite of Willie. No manager is going to make Delgado
better.

I disagree. A manager can get a player to play for him. Is he going to
make Delgado a 40-hr threat? Maybe not, but he can certainly get to him
dive for balls in the field.


Or, fill the holes in the OF.

I disagree. A manager can instill confidence in role players to get them to
play over their heads. As much as I didn't like him, Bobby V. seemed to
always get these type of performances from the Paytons, Timos, Agbayanis.


Or have this team hit better with
runners in scoring position.

I disagree. Much of this is a mental approach, which could be influenced by
a manager. Take Reyes' AB that ended the rally in the first game yesterday.
The pressure was _entirely_ on the other team, and there's Jose being
overaggressive and lofting a lazy, shallow fly to right. As Rick Down was
quoted as saying, this team squeezes the bat too tight when the game is on
the line. That's a mental thing, and that's the domain of a manager.



The only thing a manager can do is sit guys who
are underperforming.

I disagree. You think that's all Bobby Cox does in Atlanta every year?


Look at that roster and tell me who would replace these underachievers.

If they're "underachievers," doesn't that mean they have the ability?


That's on Omar, and he knows it.

Was it on Omar last September, too?


.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: this ones on Willie
    ... Put the freaking book away and let the players play. ... never wanted a manager fired more and i have been a Mets fan since 62. ... this is a no win for Willie. ... Johan was at 116 pitches. ...
    (alt.sports.baseball.ny-mets)
  • Re: this ones on Willie
    ... never wanted a manager fired more and i have been a Mets fan since 62. ... Another inning starts to put another averaged 16-17 pitches. ... the blame goes on Willie for allowing him to pitch the 8th. ... I've read that Manuel has the same approach as Willie. ...
    (alt.sports.baseball.ny-mets)
  • Re: this ones on Willie
    ... never wanted a manager fired more and i have been a Mets fan since 62. ... this is a no win for Willie. ... Johan was at 116 pitches. ... Another inning starts to put another averaged 16-17 pitches. ...
    (alt.sports.baseball.ny-mets)
  • Re: Randolph continues to fail
    ... I heard in the radio that Willie had a team meeting prior to the game ... in which he instructed everyone to take pitches. ... > The Manager is responsible for alerting his players to what's going on. ... > Willie Randolph is not learning from his mistakes. ...
    (alt.sports.baseball.ny-mets)
  • Re: More Omar than Willie
    ... But if this team continues to play 500 baseball, ... I don't care much for Willie, but only can do so much with the talent ... Gil Hodges got a lot more out of less talent than any manager ... I'd like to replace Willie, ...
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