Re: Twins
- From: jonathan <jmerin77@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:57:01 -0700
On Oct 4, 10:13 pm, mrbrklyn <spam-kil...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 4, 9:53 pm, jonathan <jmeri...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 4, 9:17 pm, mrbrklyn <spam-kil...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
94 innings is not a chance. Heilman doesn't suck . . . he's a
relatively effective short reliever who, when not overly exposed, is
very effective. Johan Santana pitched 86 innings his rookie year to
the tune of a 6.49 ERA. His second year he pitched 43 2/3 innings to
a 4.74 ERA. Finally, in his third year he was the Santana we know.
Pitchers develop at very different rates. What is true for one guy
isn't true for another. Some get it right away, others don't. Giving
up on a guy at 94 innings is ridiculous.
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Counting statistics had great meaning, and the non-counting statistics
can often use a bit of work. Without counting stats one might think
Moses Alou was the best player since swiss cheeze.
Regardless, and not to say we are disagreeing but just to point it
out, Santana's rookie year was at age 21. If Pelfrey's age was 21,
I'd be similarly unconcerned. However Pelfrey is 23 turning 24.
Santana had an ERA+ of over 140 in that year. I'll eat my hat is
Pelrey ever posts a 110 ERA+ with over 200 innings in his career.
Ruben
I'd make sure you have a hat that is somewhat edible. Pelfrey pitched
college ball . . . Santana did not. Pelfrey didn't have the
opportunity to be a rookie at 21.
Pelfrey did have a chance to pitch this year and sucked more than
Santana ever did.
You're just flat out wrong. Statistically, their early careers have
been relatively similar.
I hate the guy, I really do. It might have become a personel thing
but even objectively there is no indication that he will ever amount
to a hill of beans. He is not that young and has shown nothing.
Ruben
I don't understand that. I understand hating veteran players,
especially those with big contracts who underperform, or distinguish
themselves in some way other then play on the field. Hell, I hate
Paul Lo Duca. I also hate Tom Glavine. I hate any player who is
incredibly overrated and a drain on the resources of the team I root
for.
What I can't understand is how you can hate a young player. He may
not be any good, so fine; that's what scouts and development people
are paid to know and understand. If he's being put in positions not
suited to him, then that's their fault, not his. He just goes out and
pitches and tries to get better. This is not some free agent who got
signed and then suddenly tanked. Pelfrey is 23 years old.
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