Re: Is Omar missing the obvious here?
- From: "Met-in-PR" <orb@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:32:40 -0400
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>>>>>>>>> Why not just trade Lastings for Dunn? I mean thats what the rumors
>>> say
>>>>>>>>> Boston plans to do with Lastings anyway. Why don't the Mets just
> get
>>>>>>>>> Dunn and be done with it? Put him at first base. Still a giant bat
>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the lineup but for a lot less money.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think the Sox's wanted to collect prospects and then send them to
>>>>> Cinci.
>>>>>>>>The Sox's can send Milladge, A Sanchez, H Ramirez and/or Shoppach
>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>Dunn.
>>>>>>>>The Mets can't put the same attractive package unless they collect
>>>>>>>>some
>>>>>>>>prospects from other teams (like sending Cameron to the Twins, or
>>>>>>>>other
>>>>>>>>team, for prospects). Then they can send Milladge, Petit and the
>>>>> prospects
>>>>>>>>received for Dunn.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Let's Go Mets!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Met-in-PR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't see any way taht the Sox would have sent that many primo
>>>>> prospects
>>>>>>> to Cincy for Dunn ... particularly Hanley Ramizez.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They had already agreed to send A Sanchez and Shoppach to TB, in the
>>> 3-way
>>>>>>blockbuster trade. So it was a matter of including another player
>>>>>>(Milladge
>>>>>>or Ramirez) to get Dunn. This 25 year old slugger is worth the
>>>>>>prospects.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not doubting Dunn's value. I just know that the Sox think of
> Hanley
>>>>> Ramirez as their very best position player prospect in their entire
>>>>> and
>>>>> has
>>>>> been previously described as untouchable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Again, it's a matter of finding out what the Reds want. But by having
>>>>Milledge the Sox's may have the ability to keep H Ramirez. But if they
> can
>>>>don't include Milledge, they will have to think about including Ramirez
> if
>>>>they want to get a 25 year old player who is already hitting 40hrs per
>>>>season. Ramirez has a great selling, but he is still a prospect (same as
>>>>Milledge). A lot of things can happen from this point on.
>>>>
>>> The Sox are simply not going to be so quick to trade away their great
>>> prospects as they've been in the past.
>>
>>Then why they included two of their best prospects in the 3 way proposal??
>
> And who says that they did? Just because you saw it RUMORED in a media
> story is no guarantee of what the RED SOX were willing to give up. How do
> you know that the stories weren't sourced from TB or the Mets and that's
> what THEY wanted from the Red Sox, not what the Red Sox were willing to
> give
> up
Even if you don't want to believe in rumors, the fact is the prospects were
there in the proposal. All stories (from NY, Boston and TB) confirmed it.
Sorry there are no videos, emails or conference calls recorded so you could
see the real proof. But it doesn't mean it didn't happened. Here are LaMar
comments today:
"We asked Boston for two very good prospects coming back and at the end of
the day Boston said no. For us to be looked upon as we pulled the plug on
this deal, there was a lot of moving parts. The Mets were giving up a guy
that they didn't want to give up. Boston was going to give up a couple kids
that they didn't too. At the end of the day, Boston made the decision that
Manny Ramirez was going nowhere. We told both teams right off the bat that
if we didn't get the prospects we wanted, there was no way we would ever do
the deal," he said.
Boston did included two prospects in the proposed trade, but they didn't
want to give up their best (H Ramirez probably). Maybe they just realized
that Cameron/Huff does not equal Manny. Maybe Theo wanted to turn
Cameron/Huff/Milledge or another prospect for another power hitter. We will
not know, at least not tonight.
But the fact is, it was confirmed that they included two prospects during
the talks. So the comment about the Sox's not giving up prospects to win now
doesn't go with their recent moves or business inquiries.
LaMar was just too greedy and that's why he come up with nothing today.
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Let's Go Mets!!!
Met-in-PR
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