Re: OT: More on gas prices


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On Jun 10, 12:40 pm, Wayback1918 <wayback1...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 10, 12:36 pm, Dano58 <dan.dibi...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Of course, no one mentions that cost of charging up all of these
electric cars. Where does the power come from? Power plants. What
runs most power plants? Fossil fuel and coal. Electric car nuts
always conveniently gloss over this when slobbering over the
possibilities of 'clean' electric cars. So yeah, 'your' fuel
mileage will improve immeasurably with an electric car - but 'our'
fuel mileage won't.

Technology will eventually solve range issues, but we're always
going to have fuel issues if we continue to depend on existing
power plants to provide the electricity for these cars.

Dan D
Central NJ USA

I did wonder if the current system could handle this. We have
regional "brown outs" now.

Short-term: Studies have shown current power grids can handle the
recharging load if done during off-peak hours (overnight).

Works OK for recharging after you've come home for the night. But
what about if you happen to need to recharge while you're at work,
which for most people would be peak hours...


You install charging stations in parking facilities. I don't know if they
are still there, but the Braintree T parking garage had a number of
those...in prime spots too.

That'd be my assumption. My concern was only that if you're charging
your car in the middle of the day while you're at work, it is most
certainly during peak hours. But if, as someone else suggested, newer
batteries have sufficient charge to get you to and from work without
a midday recharge, maybe it's a non-issue.

On a related thing, I don't know it this has ever been mentioned or
considered, but it would seem to me that parking spots for vehicles
requiring charging should probably be given some legal protection.
Just as we think that it is wrong for non-handicapped people to
park in handicapped spots, perhaps it should also be illegal for a
non-electric (or electric hybrid) to park in a spot reserved for
vehicles needing a charge. It's something to consider, particularly
of those spots are in prime locations that could inspire some
people to wrongly take an EV spot for their gas vehicle, just so
that they have a shorter walk. (Of course, I suppose that this could
be mitigated by putting charging spots in less desireable locations.)





Long-
term: Supplement the grid with emerging energy sources, solar, wind,
etc. People are installing solar panels on their roofs in my area
*today* that produce an excess of energy during the sunny months that
you sell to the power companies, which you get get back during the
winter months. Net gain/cost=zero (for the amount you provided & gat
back).



I'd love to see more wind farms. But if you can't get a wind farm
built ten miles out to sea, because a bunch of millionaires are
unhappy that some 1 inch tall windmills (relative view) are spoiling
their view, how the hell are we every going to get anything done, for
god sakes?

You get the votes to go ahead and approve it over their selfish
objections.

Sounds like a good idea to me, except isn't this a federal project, not a
state one, where a ballot initiative could be used to force it thru?





Wind farms have to be just about one of the best forms of renewable
energy out there. Unlike coal or oil or wood, there's a semi constant
supply of wind that only requires the construction of windmills to
access. Sure, it's not an energy source that you'd want to have as
your primary source, due to the variable nature of the wind, but
there's no good reason to not make it a part of the overall equation.
Besides, just because there may be no wind in one location, doesn't
mean that it isn't wind somewhere else?

See...now we're thinking. Solar, windm tidal power...we haven't touched
on geo-thermal...even nuclear (done carefully)...all can be connected to
the grid...ALL can contribute to the solution.

Seems like you and I are on the same page where alternate energy is
concerned.
While I'm sort of pro-oil (I recognize that it will be a while before alt.
energy
will get truly on-line, and I think that bashing oil companies is
counterproductive),
I'm also very much pro-alternative energy.

Nuclear should probably be a part of the "core" supply, since it isn't going
to be affected by uncontrollable forces like the weather.

The beauty of wind is that all you need are windmills and some powerlines.
Nature produces the wind for you. You just have to "catch" it. And you
don't even have to build huge windfarms all the time. Even one windmill
all by its lonesome can contribute, whereas other forms of energy, alternate
or otherwise, seem to require much larger installations to be productive
and cost-effective.





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