Re: Ellsbury unproven

Gnork wrote:
On Jan 23, 9:52 am, who'sthat <whosthat> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:34:36 +0000, richardcarli...@xxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:



On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:03:11 -0600, who'sthat <whosthat> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:34:53 -0500, DonFromBa...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
RC says:
<<Some might say that I should be more compassionate to someone who has
a disease like alcoholism. I say it is his choice to drink. He makes his
choice and suffers the consequences. It is not pretty.>>
And some might say that one who claims to be trained to probe butts
should stick to that rather than attempt to diagnose conditions like
mental stability or alcoholism. And most recognize the hypocrisy of
one who constantly diagnoses outside his specialty calling others
hypocrites.
Alcoholism isn't a disease.
That is not true. Alcohol dependence certainly is a disease and has an
ICD-9 code 303. I know the code by heart since I so often diagnose it
in the process of taking a comprehensive history of each of my
patients.
And contrary to what SimpleDonFromBarre says, I am well within the
scope of my license to diagnose this malady.
I know the ICDA well as I started using it back in the 70s.
And anything you do by choice is NOT an addiction in my book. It was
added so insurance could cover it. It's easy to stop drinking...just
STOP. If you buy it again you don't deserve a break. No one forces it
down you're throat.

It's a choice to not take responsibility
for ones actions. If you want to stop you will.
While that may be true, it is still classified as a disease. And once
you are an alcoholic, you always are an alcoholic even if you never
drink again. You are just considered to be in remission.
And that's bull*** too started by AA and perpetuated by doctors who
wish to continue to treat people who can't stop BUYING alcohol. This
is not about use..it's about BUYING alcohol. Period

Diabetes is also a disease even though in many cases it is a result of
a person's choice to gorge themselves on unhealthy food.
RC
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Diabetes isn't an addiction. You're desperate and you're analogy
sucks.


You are analogy?
That sucks!

Still alcoholism and drug addiction are weaknesses in my book, not
diseases. They can lead to a whole bunch of diseases though. I also
don't want to hear any whining from a smoker that gets cancer.

I did read an article long ago about alcoholism that indicates there
is a genetic factor involved as well. The 2 ethnic groups most likely
to be alcoholics were Irish and American Indians Conversely Italians
and French drink a lot, but rarely become alcoholics. Mario will drink
to that!


(I'd join him if I was in the neighborhood)

Well, there ARE Italian alcoholics, of course, but I've read that it's not as much of a problem in Italy as in other countries (think Russia!). Fact is, I had wine available to me since I was four or five (a splash of wine + water), and it was 'there' to drink (not to excess) since I was about 12. Rules: don't drink outside the home. It worked.

As to the above topic, I was curious just how accurate a diagnosis can be without meeting/speaking with a 'patient?' Is it arrogance, stupidity or just plain maliciousness. So I wrote the AMA and asked them. I'm waiting for a reply.

And yeah, you're always welcome to drop in for a drink. Victoria is lovely, and there's always wine, aperitifs, digestifs, cognac and some hard liquor (not much) in the house. Call first.

<g>

mario in victoria
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hell, somebody might take rc's advice and end up like him
.

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