Re: OK, who's giving up on the Sox?

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:15:55 -0700, CalC <calcarpenter1@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Bob-Nob wrote:
Dano venit, vidit, et dixit:


"Bob-Nob" <bobnob15@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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CalC venit, vidit, et dixit:
Ken wrote:

Pussies.

Rah Rah now go to your cheerleading practice. For the money they
spent and the ticket prices they charge fans this collapse is a
disgrace.

(1) For the money they spent (second-most in baseball), they
have the third-best record in baseball (and only a game behind
the best record). That sounds pretty appropriate to me. It
doesn't matter whether a team wins its games early or late.
If they'd won the first 100 games in a row, then lost the
next 62, it wouldn't be any different from losing the first
62 in a row, then winning the last 100. The postseason starts
0-0, and there's no evidence that I'm aware of that a team's
record in September has much if any significance on a team's
performance in October.

(2) So if they lowered the price of tickets, you'd be okay
with "the collapse?" I call baloney. If you are so disgusted
by the team, you should be thankful that the ticket prices
are high enough so as to discouarge you from going to games
and being disgusted in person.

I'll root for them until the last out of the first round
of the playoffs when the seasons over.

Why? If you are so certain that they won't make it out
of the first round, save yourself some anguish and stop
watching now. I'm totally serious. What's the point in
watching if it's a foregone conclusion? (But if you don't
think it's absolutely positively definite that they're
going to lose, why suggest here that you think it is?)


Simple answer...it's more fun to bitch and whine...and look like he's
smarter than everyone else. To *prove* HE'S not a sucker. Funny
thing is...you won't hear a peep from him if the Red Sox actually win.
CalC and his ilk are reverse fair weather fans. They vanish when
they are proved wrong.

No, they don't. I can't remember if you were here in 2004, but
what happened is the fans who were so quick to say, "They have
no chance now," and "They can't win," will then say, "They really
stepped things up. They weren't going to win the way things were
going, but they really showed they had heart and determination
and... etc." Which is true and all, but it's silly. Yes, no team
wins anything when they're losing games, so concluding that the
team can't win playing like they're playing when they're losing
is an empty statement. The important question is whether a team
that is losing games can still win games by playing better. And
the answer is, "Yes, of course." And the Sox can. (And if we're
lucky, they will demonstrate this). But the same fans who wrote
them off, will just say, "Well, I didn't know that JD Drew would
continue to hit as he did in September and that Manny Ramirez
would return from injury and that Matsuzaka would benefit from
those days off in September and..."

If you're hoping to say, "I told you so," if the Sox win, don't
hold your breath waiting for anyone to acknowledge it. And they
may not win, of course (they've got, what, something like a
12.5% chance?), at which point you're going to get a chorus of
"I told you so"s.

(*Imagines people standing around a roulette wheel.* "Don't
bet on black! Don't bet on black!" The wheel comes up red.
"See, I told you so!" And if the wheel did turn up black:
"I didn't know it would turn things around. If I'd known
that, of course, I would have told you to bet on black"). Oi.

Catch you later.
--Robert Machemer

--
Robert Paul Aubrey Machemer | For each time he falls, he shall
Amherst College, Math & Classics | rise again, and woe to the wicked!
IF22: Cliff wins best film, cast | --Don Quixote (Man of La Mancha)
"Can't complain; had his chance, and in modern parlance, blew it."


The 2004 team had a different look and feel to it and again google me
I never quit on them. We bhad two bonafide aces a closer who was
pitching lights out and a lineup that never ever quit. They had many
come from behind wins in games all year and series <grin>. This bunch
hasn't even got a likeable appeal to them. They have three guys being
paid like aces yet one pitching that way. They have a lot of highly
paid players and yet we are talking about Bucholz and Ellsbury and the
contribution they could make if given the chance. Maybe a first round
series win would excite me and god forbid them too but I just don't
see it. I hope I am wrong but I'm not holding my breath.

$6.33 million is being 'paid like an ace'?

Not likeable???

Pedroia
Ortiz
Bucholz
Lester
Beckett
Youk
Lowell
Ellsbury

I'm guessing your not liked is your regular whipping boys

Lugo
Drew

Maybe Crisp even though i love the guy.

Maybe Schilling even though he's been very effective since he came off
the DL. You don't like Dice-K?? He's sweating bullets!! He's the
unhappiest guy I've ever seen!!! Oki too, who never looked like he was
having fun.

You don't like Papelbon?

You do realize before this slump the Sox were 10-4 in September.

I can't believe you said this team doesn't have a likeable appeal.
They strike me as one of the most down to earth bunch of dirt dogs
i've ever seen. And yes...Lugo should have ran that one out the other
day but he immediatly got down on himself and threw his helmet to the
ground...isn't that the fire and passion you're wanting to see?
.