Re: Manny, etc.


"Daniel Hack" <brittdan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> what about getting Delgado for Manny plus a prospect?

Delgado only saves them $1M per year and isn't the hitter Manny is, not to
mention that he is a lefty.

> <john.vampatella@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Looks like Sox/Mets deal involving Manny is heating up again. Let's
>> assume for the sake of discussion that the Sox *will* trade Manny. So
>> this isn't a referendum on whether we *want* them to trade him (I'd
>> vote to keep him at this point). But let's think it through.
>>
>> Sox trade Manny + 6 mil in cash ($2 mil each of the next 3 years to
>> defray some of the cost) to NY and receive back: Milledge, Heilman,
>> and a 3rd player. It would probably have to be Floyd. The problem
>> with this, of course, is that, while Floyd is pretty decent (34 hr, 98
>> rbi last year), he's left-handed, and thus, doesn't provide the kind of
>> protection for Ortiz that you'd like. The plus is that he's in the
>> last year of his contract and makes $6.5 mil this year. So he's not
>> too expensive.
>>
>> But what then? You can't just have Floyd in at LF and be done.
>> There's still 1b and CF to work out, and Floyd/Ortiz are a left handed
>> combo. Need a righty in there instead. What do they do at this point?
>> Heilman gives them another very good bullpen arm, and Milledge
>> suddenly becomes the CF of the future. I see Boston needing a CF for
>> '06, a RH power-hitting corner OF, and a very good LH hitting 1b.
>>
>> Then you do Wells to SD for Otsuka and Roberts. Seems to be what
>> everyone expects. Roberts promptly becomes the starting CF. Not
>> nearly as good as Damon, but good enough to hold down the fort until
>> Milledge is ready, probably (hopefully) in '07. Otsuka is another
>> excellent bullpen arm.
>>
>> The roster is now this:
>>
>> C - Varitek, Shoppach
>> 1b - ??
>> 2b - Cora
>> 3b - Lowell, Youkilis
>> SS - Renteria
>> LF - Floyd
>> CF - Roberts (Milledge in the wings)
>> RF - Nixon
>> DH - Ortiz
>>
>> SP - Schilling, Beckett, Clement, Wakefield, Arroyo, Papelbon (that's
>> 6)
>> RP - Otsuka, Heilman, Timlin, Delcarmen, Mota, Foulke (Hansen??)
>>
>> That's a solid rotation and a very good bullpen. But I think the
>> lineup has problems: (a) not enough pop replacing Manny, (b) too many
>> LH hitters, and (c) no 1b.
>>
>> Financially, the Sox are way better off, with Damon's $$ gone (about
>> $8.5 mil/year) and the difference between Manny and Floyd being about
>> $11 mil, including the $2 mil/year Boston assumes). That's $19.5
>> million available to go hard after Konerko. Blow him away - 3 years,
>> $36 million. Overpay if you have to. That still leaves you with $6.5
>> million left to spend. Now the lineup is:
>>
>> C - Varitek, Shoppach
>> 1b - Konerko
>> 2b - Cora
>> 3b - Lowell, Youkilis
>> SS - Renteria
>> LF - Floyd
>> CF - Roberts (Milledge in the wings)
>> RF - Nixon
>> DH - Ortiz
>>
>> SP - Schilling, Beckett, Clement, Wakefield, Arroyo, Papelbon (that's
>> 6)
>> RP - Otsuka, Heilman, Timlin, Delcarmen, Mota, Foulke (Hansen??)
>>
>> The batting order, at this point, could look like:
>>
>> CF Roberts
>> SS Renteria (don't love him in the 2 spot, but there isn't a better
>> option, really)
>> DH Ortiz
>> 1b Konerko
>> LF Floyd
>> C Varitek
>> RF Nixon
>> 3b Lowell
>> 2b Cora
>>
>> That's a very good lineup. If Lowell sucks, bench him and plug
>> Youkilis in there. If Lowell rebounds and becomes a 25 hr, 85 rbi guy,
>> then this lineup becomes unbelievable. Plus, it's better defensively,
>> and the pitching staff is better.
>>
>> If you trade Lowell, I don't know what you're going to get.
>>
>> John
>>
>
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