Re: Gammons says Sox land Beckett


"McDuck" <wallymcduckDELETEME@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:39:51 -0500, Todd <toddcaron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> quacked:
>
>
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>>Cheers to that. As Eric Wilbur wrote in his blog today...this deal has
>>the same kind of flavor that Pedro did (other than Pedro being a year
>>older with an era under 2 the previous season). Sign Beckett to an
>>extension somewhere between what Sheets or Santana got and you get an
>>ace type pitcher for well under free agent value.
>
> Pedro? Not even close.

Few people are, but being in the top 10% of pitchers in your league, at an
age when most pitchers are still improving, is pretty damn good. However...
just as food for thought....

Pedro J Martinez
Age ERA+
22 123
23 120
24 117
25 221


Josh Beckett
Age ERA+
23 132
24 108
25 119

Now, obviously, Josh is no lock to suddenly explode for a 220 ERA+ season,
but at a similar age, their performances aren't *that* much different. Pedro
was a 120 ERA+ guy in his early 20s, much like Josh. Pedro started a year
earlier, with his 1st 100IP season at age 21 (as a reliever, though); Josh's
1st 100IP season was when he was 22.

Few pitchers will ever be close to as dominant as Pedro was when he was
*Pedro*. But it's certainly within the realm of possibility (statistical
projections would probably say probability) that he's still improving and
could even break out. Even if Schill is healthy next year there's a good
chance Beckett's the Sox' best pitcher. That's a damn good acquisition any
day.


> Beckett has a lot of talent, but he's never
> been a CY winner or even on the mention list.

Well, Pedro wasn't either until his age 25 season. And Josh does have that
WS MVP that Pedro never has gotten :)

> I realize you know this
> (thus the comment on Pedro's ERA). And he is not cheap --- its just
> that his money is going mostly to Lowell.

Partly true, but Lowell is a separate player onto himself who has a non-zero
chance to make a positive contribution in his own right or could conceivably
be traded (there are Minnesota rumors, apparently, for some bullpen help).


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