Re: Manny to Queens, to play in Shea?
- From: "BT" <BTTalbot2003@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 8 Nov 2005 14:16:07 -0800
> Jim Wehner venit, vidit, et dixit:
> > hawkny2006 <dickhealy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=111103
> >> Mike Cameron is no Manny Ramirez.....thats for sure..
> > Could the Sox get Floyd instead? Same age, about the same salary,
> > much better hitter.
> Floyd can't play center field. The reason to get Cameron is because
> he's supposed to be an excellent center fielder. There are stathead
> arguments out there that Cameron's defense in center field + his hitting
> (in a non-bad year for him) is roughly equal to Ramirez's defense in
> left (which is a net minues) + Ramirez's hitting.
> It may well be that you don't find those arguments compelling. I'm
> not sure I do (though I've crunched the numbers myself). Certainly
> Ramirez's generally consistent excellence as a hitter might be worth a
> bit more than Cameron's potential to hit well enough to be equal to
> Ramirez when defense is factored in. And then there's the injury aspects
> since Cameron is coming off a pretty horrific injury. On the other hand,
> and this is a pretty big hand, Ramirez gets paid quite a bit more than
> Cameron. Even if one doesn't accept the stathead arguments that Ramirez
> is horrific defensively and Cameron is excellent defensively and that
> Cameron, overall, can make up for his comparative offensive deficiencies
> by playing a very good center field while Ramirez plays poorly in center,
> it's entirely possible that he can provide better bang for the buck. If
> Cameron provides 80% of Ramirez's value at 50% of the price, then that
> leaves the Red Sox able to find someone to provide the last 20% of
> Ramirez's value and can pay that player up to 50% of what Ramirez would
> have been paid. (That's very rough, but essentially right -- yes, I know
> it's more complicated than that, given stuff with roster spots and salary
> and all that).
> I love Ramirez. Lack of hustle never bothers me so long as the
> ultimate production is high enough -- I don't care if a player runs
> backwards around the bases, so long as he gets enough singles, doubles,
> triples, and home runs to make up for his idiosyncracies/lack o' hustle.
> But I think it's entirely possible that a deal for Cameron could be a
> good deal for the Sox, even though my immediate visceral reaction is to
> think that the Sox would not be getting enough for Ramirez.
> Catch you later.
> --Robert Machemer
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Not sure that I follow all that (due to my ingorance) particularly the
part about Cameron playing a good center fielder while "Ramirez plays
poorly in center"--I'm not sure what that means, or did you mean to say
that Ramirez plays poorly in left field?
As for trying to find someone to do the "remaining 20% of Manny's value
at 50% of the price", I think that you're undervaluing Manny's offense.
It's more like finding someone to do 80% of Manny's value at 50% of the
I am opposed to trading Manny (big surprise, right?), and would like to
keep Damon, also. I'd give Damon a 4 or 5 year contract and $10-million
(at least for the first 4 years).
Bottom line, I don't want to make the Pedro mistake and make a
ridiculously insulting offer to Damon, and then trade away the best
pure hitter in the game (Manny) for peanuts. A trade for Cameron would
fill the loss of Damon and/or Manny IMO.
2006--Keep the Faith!
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