Re: Ping: Tim Danieliuk, long & Off Topic!!!


Quill wrote:
Tim:
I have enjoyed your responses to the various debates that go on in here. I
can't remember an occasion where I found a reason to disagree with you. I am
a libertarian in my politics, and since I read nearly everything that Ayn
Rand wrote, I now understand why I so rarely find my self in agreement with
what happens in the world we live in.
I can not understand how anyone can consider the idea of health "insurance"
a good idea, no matter who the provider is.
The healthcare dollar that is spent in this manner must now pay not only for
the Doctor(s), the Nurse(s), the facility, and required tests and
medication(s), it must also pay for the health insurance bureaucracy
(Including the CEO's salary and everyone down to the mailroom guy, the
expense of the facility, and a stipend for the shareholders).
A system like this is so incredibly expensive as to be ridiculous, I can not
understand how anyone would find this acceptable.
A dollar spent on a government healthcare system is an even worse idea. At
least with private enterprise, there is the component of competition between
companies to keep costs down, with a government system, sheeesh. Think DMV,
FEMA, the Pentagon. You would need two-three times the number of
bureaucrats, and health care would get even worse. Perish the thought.
Healthcare costs started their upward spiral after WW2 with the advent of
employer paid health insurance, and really took off with the advent off
LBJ's tax payer funded healthcare for the geezers. Each and every addition
of different groups has only made it worse.
Given the depth (or the lack) of the average Americans ability for rational
thought, I do not see any reversal to the rush to a "single payer" system or
whatever name that is given to a total takeover of the healthcare system by
the government. This will result in even more expense, and eventually
rationing. Sad.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from
the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the
candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the
results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always
followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great
civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this
sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great
courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance
to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage. "
Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler (1742-1813), Scottish jurist and historian,
Collection of Lectures at Edinburgh University (1801)

Quill
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"... But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much
is certain -- that it has either authorized such a government as we have
had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to
exist."
From the Appendix, "NO Treason" by Lysander Spooner

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,
but too early to shoot the bastards. On the road to tyranny, we've gone so
far that polite political action is about as useless as a miniskirt in a
convent."
- Claire Wolfe, _101 Things To Do 'Til The Revolution
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Hi:
Why are you posting here? Do you smoke a pipe? Don't you think this
should be sent directly to the person who you claim to agree with?
I've looked at your profile and all you ever seem to post about is
politics...there are other forums you can use without taking up space
in a pipe smoker's usenet. We have enough trolls posting here and don't
need another who would like nothing more than to incite others.

Marty

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