Re: OT: Not One Day in Prison

G.E.R.R.Y. wrote:
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I bet you are probably one of the people that rape victims have been
fighting for eons. You know the ones, those that believe she brought it
on herself by the way she dressed OR talked OR drank OR danced OR ...
(fill in the blank).

In the absence of any coherent counterpoint, try to change
the subject, eh? It won't work. I won't bite. Let's stick
to the subject at hand: Why are the people at the top
at Enron who lied and cheated responsible for what happened,
but the people in the trenches who managed their money
irresponsibly not accountable in any degree? Hint: In
GerryWorld, if you are rich and powerful, you are automatically
wrong. If you're not, you're a victim.

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Tim, you are the ultimate Social Darwinist.
Not even close. You have to read *all* the words I wrote not just
the ones that give you an excuse to be abusive.

Tim, reread the big paragraph above about whining. You have some
audacity calling anyone abusive when you do nothing but belittle and
ridicule. If you actually took the time to read what I said you might

Please cite *a single instance* of "belittling" or "ridiculing" the
victims of Enron. I did not. I merely said that they bore _some_
responsibility for what happened to them - the degree of which is
proportional to the judgement we might expect any prudent and
responsible person to exhibit.

Again, you have no argument, so you're going to try and make it about
me or how unkind I am - even though I have expressed sympathy for
the victims and agreement that the Enron leaders were rightly punished.

realise that I was not envying that jackal at all. I simply remarked
that he had done untold damage to untold thousands of people, not even
close to the same thing.

And when I asked you why you were not similarly frustrated with people
who refused to follow an absolutely minimally rational path to
protect themselves, you chose to howl about how unkind I was instead
of reading the substance of what I wrote. Free Clue For Gerry: The
world is not made up of just Predators and Prey. It is also made
up of people who act and think responsibly and those who don't.
The ones who don't inevitably end up *becoming* Prey because they
don't exercise the judgment God gave my cat.


You have such adulation and hero-worship for these "bastions of
success" that you even have to minimalise their Eeeevvvviil by blaming

The only hero in my life is elderly and hardly rich - she was poor most
of her life and suffered sadness and deprivations you couldn't begin to
grasp. Not once - *not one single time* - did I hear her complain about
what a "victim" she was. Not when she lost 5 family members within 7
days. Not when her sister was murdered. Not when her remarried
brother-in-law and wife were killed in an plane accident. Not when she
didn't have enough money to feed her family. Not when she couldn't
afford school clothes. Not when a alcoholic doctor botched a surgery and
left her with a lifelong and very unpleasant condition. Not when someone
ignored her many acts of kindness to others and treated her badly. She
NEVER complained. She figured being able to live and worship freely was
good enough.

If anyone ever had a "hard life" it was my hero - and she NEVER
cplayed the Whiner Card you're so fond of. One of things
she taught me - and it stuck - is that people who have more are not to
be admired OR hated on that basis. They just have more - that's it. More
broadly, she taught me to assess people in light of their actions and
beliefs, not their class or station in life.

a big part of that evil onto the victims themselves. I sense *you*

A "big part" huh? You'll find it impossible to demonstrate this on the basis
of anything I wrote. I have repeatedly used the words "some responsibility".
Not "most, or "a big part". You're being dishonest and starting to make
things up - always the sign of a lost and desperate line of rhetoric.

suffer from envy far more than you realise. You claim I have Class
Envy, I think you envy their success.

And on what basis might you think this? You have *demonstrated* your
Class Envy repeatedly. Many OT political threads here find you grumbling
about "corporations", "the wealthy", and all of the other putative
scoundrels that seem to occupy much of your waking thoughts. I, on the
other hand, have *never* demonstrated the slightest bit of envy for
anyone in any strata of society. Unlike the Class Envy (and all other)
bigots, I neither like nor dislike an individual on the basis of what or
who they are. I like or dislike and individual on the basis of the ideas
they affirm and how they act. And unlike the drooling ideological
parasites that make up the Political Correctness Police or the
Society Of People That Hate The Wealthy, I actually do end up having
friends, acquaintances, and colleagues across the entire spectrum
of human diversity .... I just don't hate the ones with more money
than I (which would be most of them).

Happy Whining ...



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