Re: Hey, Tony

Bart Goddard wrote:
Miss Elaine Eos <misc@*Your-pants*PlayNaked.com> wrote in
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Nope, that's a burden from the rich. If the poor aren't taken care
of, they'll rise up and make life bad for the rich.

You're arguing that the poor place a higher burden on the system,

No, I'm arguing that the rich do the "placing". They sit
around in their high-back leather chairs in front of the
giant fireplace saying things like, "Oh, Thurston, these
poor people are _ever_ so stinky, we simply _must_ do
something about it." "I know, Lovey, I know. Hmmm yahs,
I have it, let's use taxes to fund containment devices."

they blackmail the rest of society DEMANDING these services on
the backs of others, else they'll become destructive.

Turn about is fair play.

So the cost of simple services for the poor should be charged to the
account of the rich.

Oh, I wasn't arguing "should", yet. I'm still trying to reach
agreement about what *is*. I was trying to get Alex to agree that
the burden on the tax-funded infrastructure decreases as one's income
increases.

And I'm arguing against it. Funding services for the poor
benefits the rich. So you shouldn't be laying the entire
burden to the account of the poor.


...Although it still strikes me as unfair that those who don't use
the school pay for them. Yes, yes, it's to my benefit to help
someone else's kid learn how to count change and properly enunciate
"do you want fries with that?" but, if I wanted that kid educated,
I'd educate him myself!

Alex was arguing from the point of "fair", and I'm suggesting that to
suggest that people who have something give it up in order that
people who don't have that thing can benefit is hardly "fair" in any
useful meaning of the word.

As a professor, who spent all day yesterday arguing with the
queue of D+ students from the just-ended semester, I can assure
you that there is no fair way to do anything. There's no
fair voting system. There's no fair grading system. There's no
fair tax system. Heck, you can't even figure out how much each
person pays in taxes. Heck^2, you can't even figure out how
much tax is on a loaf of bread. Before you work out whether
the poor or rich are a greater burden, you'd have to work out
how much each pays in taxes. And you can't.

Certainly "fair" is the wrong concept here. Especially in
the topic of taxes, where the whole idea is to be unfair:
that is, to take from the rich and give to the poor to help
even things out a bit (and thereby keep society stable.)

Gee I always thought the concept of taxes was to mutually fund mutually
necessary services that could best be provided by a "government entity"..

I didn't realize that taxation was actually developed as a way to
redistribute the wealth, but I agree that that's what is seems to be turning
into as our society becomes more socialistic.

--
"Official ASC Shaman"


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