Re: Can this be right?

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:53:00 -0800, Miss Elaine Eos wrote:
On 2011-02-19 10:09:56 -0800, Carbon <nobrac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
said:

About your birth announcement in Chicago. Did it list your parents as
living at a Chicago address?

Nope. But then again, neither did the birth announcement that I was
presented as "evidence of Obama's Hawaiian birth."

But none of that matters. You're arguing from a "proof/evidence is
offered" POV, as if anyone cares where Obama was born. I'm suggesting
that, while I don't really give a rat's ass (it's not like he's going
to be booted from office before 1/20/2013, no matter what is found
about this question!), a birth announcement placed in a Hawaiian
newspaper is slip-shod evidence, and touting it as useful in any way
is sloppy thinking.

Oh, but wait! It was a ploy to gain citizenship! But no, if his
mother is American he gets citizenship automatically. So it can't be
that, can it?

What could it be? Wait! It's so that one day, this Black kid from
Hawaii would meet the natural born clause and be eligible to run for
President.

Yeah. That's it.

<sigh> So entrenched in your ideology on this one are you, that you
can't hear the braying of your own arguments!

It DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE RIGHT -- I'm discussing your methods, your
"reason."

It's as if someone were to say "2 + 2 = 4, and the proof is that I
have a 2-year old daughter and a 2 year old dog and, when you count
them up with me & my wife, that makes 4 of us." The argument isn't
about the "2+2=4" part, it's about the crazy-reasoning part.

Get it?

You know Elaine (if that's your real name), I can always tell you're
reaching when you accuse me of your sins. But I digress.

You are wrong about the birth announcements not listing the Obamas' local
address. Both local newspapers, the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star
Bulletin, printed the exact same announcement in August, 1961:

"Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy, son, Aug 4."

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

Once again, I'm not presenting this as *my* reasoning. I'm trying to get
at how I think centrists are going to look at it. And I believe that
those voters, who greatly outnumber the extremists on both sides, will be
satisfied by what has already been released: the certificate of live
birth and the birth announcements listing a local Honolulu address.

What *I* think is that in the interest of political gain, Obama's people
are more than happy to let the controversy simmer for as long as humanly
possible, hopefully until just before the 2012 election.
.

Relevant Pages

  • Re: Thinking about the strategy
    ... evidence and given it considerable thought. ... very least, a Certification of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii, ... could only be released if Obama requested it. ...
    (alt.smokers.cigars)
  • Re: Thinking about the strategy
    ... evidence and given it considerable thought. ... very least, a Certification of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii, ... could only be released if Obama requested it. ...
    (alt.smokers.cigars)
  • Re: Thinking about the strategy
    ... evidence and given it considerable thought. ... very least, a Certification of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii, ... could only be released if Obama requested it. ...
    (alt.smokers.cigars)
  • Re: Obama ADMITS his birth certificate hasnt been released
    ... Obama knows he hasn't revealed his real Birth Certificate. ... Sun Yet Sen, the founder of modern China, had a Hawaiian birth ...
    (alt.politics)
  • Re: Airman quits job, says Obamas birth certificate is fake
    ... And yet you have no evidence one way or another to doubt what Ive ... Obama certainly aren't. ... Any yet Obama remains our president. ... birth cert..and the Department of Records in Hawaii has admitted there ...
    (rec.crafts.metalworking)