Re: A nothing-complicated Sunday

On 2010-08-10 17:20:56 -0700, "Alex W." <ingilt@xxxxxxxxxxx> said:

That's why I'm saying that the patient, and their chosen advisors
(presumably, but not necessarily friends, family and doctors) should
make theh choice. It's not perfect, but it's far better than any of
the alternatives, on a nearly logarithmic scale.

Someone ought to make sure that those chosen advisors have their
heads screwed on right, and that the advice given is genuinely
comprehensive and expert. In such an extreme situation, I am not
certain at all that the patient can be relied upon to make this
selection unaided.

Well, if you pick Mickey as your advisor, it's your own fault!


Hmmm. I think you're advocating that the state demand that you use
common sense. I think that this can't help but end poorly. I'll grant
that it might even have an early sucess or two but, once the state
starts telling the citizens -- via leglistation -- what good common
sense they must exercise, things will go downhill very quickly.

Fuck common sense.
It is neither common nor sensible.
Phrases like "it stands to reason" or "it's only common sense"
are only ever uttered by people who have no actual expertise of
knowledge.

You want an expert in financial and estate planning, to figure
exactly how much you can spend, how much you can afford to spend,
how to order your affairs (cancel that CA subscription!) to make
all the inutterably tedious legal crap as unbothersome as
possible.

You want a lawyer to tell you what you, your doctors and your
family can and cannot do, either to end or to prolong life.

You want a psychologist to help you understand how far the
realisation of your imminent demise is skewing your thinking --
which it will -- and to help yu work through it.

You may want some sort of spiritual counsellor.

You will want a doctor to double-check the attending.

You want a second psychologist to help your family cope.

You want an insurance expert to deal with all the claim forms,
refusals, exeptions, policies and the other crapp they will
insist on inflicting you to make your last days a foretaste of
purgatory.

And when they have all said and done their thing, you will be in
a position to make your decisions and get on with it.

What I'm saying is: that's all well and good -- sound advice that you should give any friend. However, once the government gets involved, things eventually erode to situations where I'm not allowed to make my fnial decisions because I've not yet met with the government-certified financial planner. (Turns out that there's not one in my neck of the woods, and I don't want to waste time with him, anyway, since I've already decided my finances with the guys *I* trust.) And I sure as hell don't want to hear from any spiritual councellor unless she's drop-dead gorgeous and can keep her mouth shut while shaking her tits.

(Hey, these are MY final arrangements, *I'LL* be making the calls, here... ;)

Etc.

So I'm agreeing that all the things you suggest are nice and should be available. But we don't need a bunch of government dictating it all to us.


What if a state-sanctioned doctor advises me one way and my friends and
I decide something else? Can we be deemed "unfit to make the decision"
by demonstration of our clear lack of collective common sense?!

In such a situation, I would assume that it goes to court (enter
the ghost of Terry Schiavo, stage left).

Right. There's what happens when too much government is involved. Like we really want to encourage THAT sort of thing...

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