Re: A nothing-complicated Sunday

Miss Elaine Eos <misc@*Your-pants*PlayNaked.com> wrote:

On 2010-08-08 12:06:38 -0700, Mickey <Mickey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:

Miss Elaine Eos <misc@*Your-pants*PlayNaked.com> wrote:

On 2010-08-06 06:04:28 -0700, Tony <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said:
Buck, there is nothing called a "death panel". But there is definitely
something in the bill called a "utilization board". These will make
decisions about what medical care will be given. You're 90 and you
want a $20,000 pacemaker? [Not covered.]

FWIW, this is good business. I would oppose a program that
uncritically approved $20k pacemakers to every 90 yr old who wanted one.


Obama himself said, and I paraphrase: "Sometimes when you're old it'd
better to just take the pain medicine than to get the expensive
operation".

I don't know what he actually said, or what the context was, but I
agree 100% with your paraphrasing of it. If that's what he said &
meant, then he's right.

(Hey, it happens! ;)

http://tinyurl.com/nbldys

or

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/06/26/obama_maybe_youre_better_off_taking_painkillers_and_forgoing_surgery.html

Not

counting the fact that he nearly-completely dodged the woman's specific
question (he glossed over with a half-answer before falling back to
pages of rhetoric on a complete change of subject), I have to say that
I agree with the views he expressed in this particular clip.

FWIW, I'm way off the deep on on the "hell YES I want heroic
meaures"/going-down-kicking&fighting send of the scale. That said,
Baby-Sis-Misc was also a fighter but, at some point it just came down
to "hey, you know what? We lost this one." Yeah, it's sad; yeah,
nobody wants to be there; but it happens. Extra surgery wouldn't have
helped. Extra chemo wouldn't have helped. Extra radiation, drugs,
whatever -- about the only thing any of that would've done would have
been to kill her faster which, to be honest, I think we all (including
Sis-Misc) would've been just as happy without the last handful of
days...

So, it sucks, but there it is. I have many-many gripes about Obama's
health care plan in every iteration I've seen, but I agree with the
statements he made in the video Mickey provided.

...Although it's still silly that he chose not to answer the woman's
question and, instead, to stump on an only-peripherally related
subject. The fact of the matter is, the surgery DID give the woman an
additional 5 years of happy, worthwhile life and she's still (at the
time of the video) ticking (so to speak ;) -- so that was the RIGHT
decision.

The point of the whole argument is that it is not a decision for the
government to make.... unless they're the one's paying for it. Hence,
they shouldn't be put into a position where they have to pay for it.
Otherwise we get another Washington "one size fits all - badly"
decision tree.
.

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