Re: Traditional Marriage Wins in Maine

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:13:29 -0500, Tony wrote:

Miss Elaine Eos wrote:
On 2009-11-07 16:42:35 -0800, "Paul M. Cook" <pmcook@xxxxxxx> said:
"Tony" <tony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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If you'd like to redefine marriage, do it legislatively like you're
supposed to. Or better yet, get government our of our marriages
completely.

Talk about twisted. What would enforce the laws of marriage if you got
government out if it completely? How would you enforce your
discrimination
if you had no government sympathetic to your bigotry?

You're projecting, again. Tony's idea is that it's THE CHURCH'S job to
enforce this sort of bigotry and social ostricization, and that the
government should treat all citizen equally.

Right (as I stated in a followup).

(Tony: I'm not picking on you/your church -- of COURSE it's their job to
preach morality and shun/shame those who will not behave according to
their code. They may do it via "forgiveness", whatever, but the point
is that the church is in the morality business, not the government. The
government's morality ends at hitting & stealing :)

I know you're not picking on me or my Church, Ted, you're stating the
same facts I did. The state has no business being in the morality business.

Which is, of course, bunkum. A very great deal of what the
state does is decide, codify and implement morality for all of
society. We WANT it that way. Leaving aside issues like overt
social engineering, every time your local council passes a by-law
to regulate littering or the removal of dog poo, it's morality in
action. When your neighbour has extremely noisy parties and you
call the cops, that's morality in action. Major issues of social
tension and political ructions are alm ost always points where
the state is out of step with society's views on morality,
whether it be abortion, gun control, drugs, you name it.

And marriage is definitely a part of it. All sides are battling
for the moral centre. All sides want their take on this moral
issue enshrined in law. And I find it very hard to believe that
anybody really truly genuinely wants the state to withdraw
entirely from the issue because they would have to square their
own personal morality and sense of tolerance with neighbours or
work colleagues who might decide to have two wives or three
husbands, who might do a Jerry Lee Lewis or who insist on
marrying their horse. That, I simply cannot see.


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