Re: I Plead the 10th

"Mickey" <Mickey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Paul M. Cook" <pmcook@xxxxxxx> wrote:


The majority of them were deists or even atheists (Jefferson, Washington,
Paine.) Collectively they called themselves Free Thinkers. Jefferson was a
student of the Koran.

Yes, so?

Here's the context:
What Thomas Jefferson learned from the Muslim book of jihad

By Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
January 2007

Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United States
congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the Quran, the Muslim
book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the United States during his
ceremonial swearing-in.

Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo opportunity drew more media
than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S. House. Ellison represents
the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota.

The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to Thomas
Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of America's founding
fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book Section of the Library of
Congress. It was one of the 6,500 Jefferson books archived in the library.

Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in college, said
he chose to use Jefferson's Quran because it showed that "a visionary like
Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be gleaned from many sources.

There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing wisdom could be
"gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time Jefferson owned the book, he
needed to know everything possible about Muslims because he was about to
advocate war against the Islamic "Barbary" states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia
and Tripoli.

Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a subject once
well-known in the history of the United States, but, which today, is mostly
forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who over many centuries enslaved millions
of Africans and tens of thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the
Islamic "Barbary" states.

Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and
Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves.

The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had a
high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as many of the
"non-Muslim" older men and women as possible so the preferred "booty" of only
young women and children could be collected.

Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as concubines in
Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual interests of Muslim men by
allowing them to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many
concubines as their fortunes allow.

Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create eunuchs who
would bring higher prices in the slave markets of the Middle East. Muslim slave
traders created "eunuch stations" along major African slave routes so the
necessary surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small number
of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery.

When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American
merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for
protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews enslaved by
Muslim pirates operating under the control of the "Dey of Algiers"--an Islamist
warlord ruling Algeria.

Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by the
pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate treaties with the
four Barbary States. Congress appointed a special commission consisting of John
Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations.

Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean, the new
America government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay
tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized American ships and buy the
freedom of enslaved sailors.

Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American
commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was opposed. He believed
there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled
"through the medium of war." He proposed a league of trading nations to force
an end to Muslim piracy.

In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the
American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja,
the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador to Britain.

The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote to
appease.

During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador why Muslims
held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no
previous contacts.

In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents
reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam
"was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran,
that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners,
that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be
found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every
Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions
of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American
hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United
States government annual revenues in 1800.

Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a
group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and
informed Congress.

Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but not one
cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American Marines
and many of America's best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast.

The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS
Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.

In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from Egypt into
Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American
slaves.

During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a
result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines,
finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy.

Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with
the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we will fight
our country's battles on the land as on the sea."

It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of
all the Muslim slave trading pirates.

Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to put and end
to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a
"visionary" wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim
book of jihad.


But one thing is indisputable, whenever religion is
mentioned in the Constitution it is terms of exclusion, not inclusion. As
in "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any
office or public trust under the United States."

The idea that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles is a
flat out lie and flies in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Paul


So much of what is written above is incorrect, it's not worth
correcting.

Well, feel free to post a few points you find contestable.


See what a public school education gets you?

Mickey, also went to public school




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