Re: Is Nancy Pelosi a Traitor?

On Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:11:09 -0500, Mickey wrote:

"Alex W." <ingilt@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:45:41 -0500, Mickey wrote:

"Alex W." <ingilt@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:15:02 -0700, Miss Elaine Eos wrote:

In article
<99b42ec7-c593-41cd-bb5a-dc0dbe0d70f6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
SkeeterZX225@xxxxxxx wrote:



The really simple truth is that it is wrong to blame
illegals. ?They react; they respond to demand, no more.

So, if there's a high enough demand for bread in my family, it's ok for
me to steal a loaf? Just reacting, you see -- responding to a demand...

If by "high enough demand" you mean starvation, then yes.
This is a fairly remote justification these days, but if you
know someone who was alive during the "Grapes of Wrath"
days, why not ask them? As far as I am concerned, the
taking of anything to ensure the immediate survival of
myself or any other person is fully justifiable.

Oh, no, not this "moral relativism" argument again!

Actually, this is as close to an absolute as I come.
I cannot think of a single set of circumstances where
property rights trump survival, the preservation of life.

It is absolutely wrong to take what is not yours. Period.

If Hutch has a heart attack and I need your car to drive him
to hospital, I will take your car and feel good about it.
If I am in New Orleans when the levees break again and I
need Hutch's boat to save people from dorwning, I will
happily take his boat and not bother to ask his permission
first. And if some idiot feeds me an oyster and I go into
anaphylactic shock, I sure hope someone will steal an epipen
from the nearest pharmacy to save my life. Life trumps
property.



If stealing a loaf of bread will prevent starving, you should have
done something *before* you got to that point.

That is easy to say from your and my comfortable seats. But
as recently as in my grandparents' day, there was real
famine in Europe, and no way to do something. If the crops
fail -- through disease, the wrong weather, no water,
whatever -- you starve and there is nothing you can do about
it. In China between 1958 and 1961, tens of millions
starved, and there was nothing whatever they could have
done.

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