Re: The GIMME state

Joe explained :
On 2009-03-03, Miss Elaine Eos <Misc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <slrngqpi4h.if0.joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Joe <joe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

While I am definitely in the pro-choice camp, I also find it absolutely disgusting how far we have allowed father's rights to deteriorate.

While I agree with the statement as stated, I would not want to see [alleged!] fathers have anything more than an opinion to weigh-in on the abortion decision.

I would prefer that they have at least slightly more power than that.

What "more power" could there be that doesn't either order or prevent an abortion? Everything short of that is just weighing in with an opinion.


I think that there should be, at very least, the ability to have both parties heard by a disinterested third party to resolve the conflict. By giving the woman all of the rights in such a matter, the man's rights are completely ignored. It takes two to tango, it should take two to flush it...

If she doesn't want the child are you going to volunteer to carry him or her for the 9 months it takes to bring him or her to term (if that were possible)?

A man has full control over the situation. He exerts that control *before* he sticks it in.

I am decidedly pro-choice, but it would destroy me to find out that I had gotten someone pregnant and she was able to terminate it without my input. IMO, a better solution would be for her to have the baby, and if she doesn't want it, I'll take it. No strings attached. If she does keep it, I want full parental rights.

(a) You two should've worked that out before having sex.

And when, exactly, does that EVER happen. Pick up a chick at a bar, everything's going great... Let's go back to my place... But first, you gotta promise: No abortions, Okay?

It happens when the big head is calling the shots. That's one of the hazards of banging random chicks from bars.

(b) So in your pro-choice way, you want the ability to tell a woman she can't have an abortion...??? WTF?!

Separate issues. I believe in the right to an abortion as an option. I do not believe that the Woman should have all of the power in a matter that so profoundly affects the man.

Then don't bang a woman who would abort your child. Oh, that's right. It takes some time to figure out what kind of woman she is, and you lose a lot of gratuitous banging while you're doing that. My bad.

An abortion is a difficult decision, and no matter how you cut it, it is a decision that impacts more lives than just the mother's, either way.

Oh, I agree with all of this. I just don't think that everyone whose life is impacted should have anything more than a registered opinion on whether or not to get an abortion.

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Btw, in my younger, poorer, less-attached years, I had much the opposite reaction as you describe a few paragraphs up. We used birth control, but it always drove me nuts to know that a woman could conceive and bear a child without my "permission" (correct response: "should've thought of that before you had sex" ;) The idea of some of the women I was with attempting to raise a child -- with or without my financial support -- was simply absurd and irresponsible in the extreme, to me.

...But that didn't stop me from letting them have their way with me ;)

But that's the difference. A woman cannot conceive without your "permission". When you have sex, even with a condom, spermicide, the pill and a diaphragm, you still need to be aware that accidents happen. She CAN, on the other hand, have an abortion without your permission, even if you are completely against it.

That's right. She can. She can also bring the child to term to hook you through the bag financially for 18+ years (depends on the state). Almost would make one think twice about banging random women, wouldn't it.

One little "swimmer" gets away, and you're out approx $100,000. Think about that next time. :)

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