Re: Ramon Allones Supply Alert

In article <2g0z3hhz6jp2.1rmpiy2ndl611.dlg@xxxxxxxxxx>,
Alex W <ingilt@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:13:41 -0800, Miss Elaine Eos wrote:

In article <d64k09i5olnz$.1dtsgr0gicbsm.dlg@xxxxxxxxxx>,
Alex W <ingilt@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
My priority would be the welfare of any children

"Think of the children!"...?! We're going to make adult-impacting
policy decisions based on our romantic notions around doe-eyed
rug-rats?!?!

Bad idea, I don't care which side of the policy I'm on!

There is a difference between "romantic notions" and
reasonable measures to protect their welfare.

Oh agreed. But you placed the welfare of children above all else in the
matter of policy-making. I think that's a bad idea.

For that matter, a number ofchurches make procreation and
the raising of children a centrepoint of the whole concept
of marriage. If you apply canon law strictly, Catholics
cannot even get married in the first place if they are
infertile.

Right. And it's critical that you raise your children in The Faith.
That's because early religious leaders could do math, and they knew this
was the key to power and control. What's this got to do with deciding
the best policy for society, again...?

That depends on your starting point. People will not stop
screwing, forming relationships or shacking up together --
in short, doing pretty much the same thing as married
people. What they lack is the formal an legal framework.
Now, turning divorce into a hurdle and a deterrent might
reduce the number of people willing to take the hurt in
order to be rid of each other, but it will also reduce the
number of people willing to formalise their relationship in
the first place. Is this what you want?

I'm suggesting that this would be an improvement over the current
situation, yes.

This is similar to the gripe some have about welfare, btw. I don't
think even the most hard-core of us would deny food & rent money to
those who are truly unable to work, for whatever reason. However, the
"let's help ease this pain for you" situation we have now is SO easy,
that many folks tend to not look too hard for work, or maybe not at all,
since there's no reason to, thanks to pain-easement. Maybe if things
were a little tougher for them, they'd get cranking on the job-hunt, and
those funds could be used to help people who REALLY need it.

Ted, I have visited the US and I do read widely on such
issues, and I am pretty confident in saying that in any sort
of international comparison of industrialised nations, the
US system of social safety nets is easily the stingiest,
skimpiest and least comprehensive. You may want it to be
like that, OK, but please don't argue that you're being
generous. I have seen generous, and you ain't.

Generous isn't really the word -- partially mis-placed would be better.
Actually, "largely displaced", or "wasteful/inefficient" would come
closer to what I'm getting at.

OK, as long as you accept that the messy puddle in front of
the intake will increase. As I said earilier, people who
are deterred from formal marriage will not abstain but will
simply enter into informal arrangements. Where does this
leave an offspring or duty of support?

The cues for personal responsibility in the matter are stronger when one
does not have the false security blanket of a marriage. You already
have people who will refuse to bear children without a marriage --
except that the thing that they think makes this better is a sham. I'm
suggesting we make it more real.

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