Re: OT: Global Warming data; scientists beliefs
- From: "Paul M. Cook" <pmcook@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:53:16 -0800
<demonick@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:27:29 -0600, alt.smokers.cigars wrote:
"Miss Elaine Eos" <Misc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
Among the highlights:
* Human-induced global warming is real, according to a recent U.S.
survey based on opinions
* there remains divisions between climatologists and
scientists from other areas of earth sciences as to the extent of
Big surprise, there. The division seems to be largely along the line of
people who get money to say that humans are involved vs people who get
money to say that humans aren't involved. Surprise, surprise!
* About 90 percent of ALL scientists surveyed agreed that mean global
temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800s levels.
I don't think there's ever been much argument there. Although, given
the difficulties in measuring, I think there's question about how much,
and which years.
I think it's odd how many regulars here can spot junk science a mile
away if it's about SHS, but they are totally blind to exactly the same
problems in the AGW thing.
The lead researcher, Doran, was not surprised by the near-unanimous
agreement by climatologists, "They're the ones who study and publish
on climate science. So I guess the take-home message is, the more you
know about the field of climate science, the more you're likely to
believe in global warming and humankind's contribution to it."
How very pompous of him. While, in general, what he says should be
true, the more I study this area (and I've actually studied it quite a
bit -- including putting several thousand personal hours (not minutes
asking my research assistant what the latest report said!) into
improving climate simulators), the more I become convinced that not only
are most of the published articles full of crap, but that they can't be
any other way, if they want to be published.
As a scientist, I find this a real drag... :\
The real issue is to what degree that greenhouse gases are causing it.
Compared to water vapor, carbon dioxide is irrelevant as a "greenhouse
gas", and CO2 is a trailing indicator NOT a leading indicator. CO2 levels
go up in response to warming the ocean. CO2 levels do NOT cause warming.
Warmer water holds less gas in solution than cooler water. A 0.1C rise in
average ocean surface temperature releases huge quantities of CO2 from
Hi Dr Nick!!!!
Now would you please give us a lecture on feedback mechanisms?
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