Re: Contest time

On Dec 31, 12:16�am, Ray <chigarayREM...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:44:04 -0800, Miss Elaine Eos





<M...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <Xns9B84A26AD8CE6goddardbenetscape...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Bart Goddard <goddar...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Mickey <Mic...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
news:ujpkl4508pu9ac7j44qlb9nao60qcge63b@xxxxxxx:
I'm using it in the sense of definition number 5,

And I'm protesting Definition number 5. �Just as

Protest all you want. �See if you can get the dictionary editors to
update the language's main reference book ;)

I would usage of "ain't" or "burgle"

Both perfectly fine words, although often misused. �Ain't is "am I
not?", not "isn't."[1] �Burgle begame legit the moment one of the
wizards insisted that Bilbo "go burgle something!" in the cartoon
version of _The Hobbit_ -- and that makes it LIT-ruh-ture! �:D

or "connotate."

What, you prefer "connote-ify"...?!

� <G>

� ---
[1] Heh, learn something new every day (well, re-learn some things in a
new way, perhaps.) �"Usage Note: Ain't has a long history of
controversy. It first appeared in 1778, evolving from an earlier an't,
which arose almost a century earlier as a contraction of are not and am
not. In fact, ain't arose at the tail end of an era that saw the
introduction of a number of our most common contractions, including
don't and won't. But while don't and won't eventually became accepted at
all levels of speech and writing, ain't was to receive a barrage of
criticism in the 19th century for having no set sequence of words from
which it can be contracted and for being a "vulgarism," that is, a term
used by the lower classes, although an't at least had been originally
used by the upper classes as well. At the same time ain't's uses were
multiplying to include has not, have not, and is not, by influence of
forms like ha'n't and i'n't. It may be that these extended uses helped
fuel the negative reaction. Whatever the case, criticism of ain't by
usage commentators and teachers has not subsided, and the use of ain't
is often regarded as a sign of ignorance. But despite all the attempts
to ban it, ain't continues to enjoy extensive use in speech. Even
educated and upper-class speakers see no substitute in folksy
expressions such as Say it ain't so and You ain't seen nothin'
yet. The stigmatization of ain't leaves us with no happy alternative
for use in first-person questions. The widely used aren't I? though
illogical, was found acceptable for use in speech by a majority of the
Usage Panel in an earlier survey, but in writing there is no acceptable
substitute for the stilted am I not?"

(I always thought "ha'n't" and "i'n't" were strictly Texas-isms, a sort
of white-ebonics...)

Unless the phoneticization (?) is throwing me, both those words or
non-words are widely used throughout the "mid-south" parts of the US,
ie KY, TN and surrounding areas. I grew up listening to my
grandparents talk like that and to my knowledge neither of them ever
went west of the Misssissippi River.

I may be wrong, but I believe the Texas accent of which you speak is
derived from the Appalachian accent which itslef devolved from
Scots-Irish immigrants.

But it's late and I have had a couple drinks to help ease the pain of
having nerves come back from dental work anesthesia. So I could be
wrong.- Hide quoted text -

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Happy <soon> New Years, Ray - hope the pain abates soon! (considering
a drink too!) ... KY and even Indiana are surprisingly "South" --
(look for grits on the menue) - With now 2 kiddos in TX, I've given up
trying to figure out local accents. I still like our midwestern look/
sound and our approach to cigars (so far - few problems) ... smoke em
if you got 'em! And Queen Isabella would certainly agree! There is a
surpriseingly rich History of cigars and women who smoked them (as was
common in the 1800's). Happy New Year All! I'm smoking a Hemingway,
and FJ is probably smoking a Dunhill Centena at midnight - the 31st.

May 2009 be an even better year for all of us and for all those we
care about. mary
.

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