Re: Well, duh!


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I believe that's called "profit".

To them it is all profit and that includes all the money in the
payroll
and pension accounts. And always the wife has her own "business"
(under
her maiden name) which is a very well paid vendor to the widget
corporation. And all his kids are 6 figure employees who "work
from home."

Paul

Some bad apples for sure. You are generalizing though. I
believe the system you speak of is called Capitalism. If I start
a company and OWN that
company I can take as much OUT of that company as I want to. As
long as the
people get paid, the bills get paid then the rest is MINE. WTF
is your problem with that? Oh that's right you are a Dumbocrat. I
should be giving
away all my profit to the starving children and the illegal
aliens. I should NEVER see a profit.....because that means I am
not paying enough in
taxes. Well the Dumbocrats will take care of that I am sure.

See, you don't understand the left's view of "business". Businesses
exist to give people jobs, provide for their healthcare and
retirement, assist them with buying a car and a house and sending
their kids to college. Some of the businesses with more "Corporate
Responsibility" even provide child care, and engage in Gaia worship
through mandatory "trash pickup in the park" activities and such.
The very best also provide for the "One Minute Hate".

If they happen to make a profit, it is incumbent upon them to ask
themselves how they can use that profit to make things better for
the prolet... oops, I mean the workers.


Welkl slavery might be illegal, technically, but it sure is a dandy
business
model you have to admit.

Paul


Some further off-list discussion of this subject raised an
interesting point. Not only have they turned the whole "benefits vs.
entitlements" argument on it's head, they have managed to recreate
legal slavery. In today's incarnation, the business owner is now slave
to the
workers (and government). All of his labor and efforts are stolen
from him. If he fails to do as he is instructed, he is beaten
(metaphorically, of course). His freedoms have been removed, piece
by piece, in the name of the workers. He is subjugated by his
employees using the whip of the government.

Right, which is why real wages adjusted for inflation have been
stagnant - aka flat - since 1978 and union membership is receding
faster than the Ross Ice Shelf. If the worker were any more powerful
we'd all be picking cotton.
Paul

And yet the Union Autoworker's concession to lower wages to less than $14
per hour hasn't stemmed the tide towards moving manufacturing to Mexico
where labor is as low as $1.50/hr with no benefits.

Unfortunately it's becoming a world economy and we're not competitive
anymore.

We want high wages because we're Americans and by God we deserve them!!

Unfotunately, the real world doesn't seem to operate that way.


Wages aren't the issue in your example. The enormous cost of health
insurance is. Makes a great case for nationalized health insurance. GM
says that $4000.00 of every Suburban (not that they will ever sell one
again) is the price of their health insurance. Also, another thing breaking
them now is the cost of executive retirement packages and future executive
obligations. It is way more than their employee pension fund. So they cut
costs where they can do it easily and also pad the exec's bonuses while they
are at it - they shut down plants and move out of the country. And since
they get a generous tax credit for doing just that, what is to stop them?

So welcome to the world where Americans will now have to compete with the
poorest people on the face of the planet. What fun. The race to the bottom
will have a winner and that's one contest you don't want a part of.

Paul


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