Re: SD CA


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Oh yeah, Ken. Excuse blatant fear pandering by a TV
station
whose

own



fortunes are directly tied to the Nazi party in
Washington.

Could I see your source for that bit of info please?

Paul has direct contacts in the Nazi party who told him...?

Paul wouldn't know.

After all, Nazis have nothing to do with Socialism, do they?
;-)



God Mike but you sound stupid when you talk like that. Tell
me,
do
the
Iranian Republican Guards have something to do with
republicans?
The

Nazis


were fascists using state sponsored terror and a formal
police
state
to
subdue and control the population. Kid of like what our boys
brought

to

this country in 2001.

Paul



Still not answering the question Paul.


I'm still waiting for you to admit you were wrong. I even
posted
a
link

to

the very video in question. Rather than trying to distract
attention

away

from yourself in your typical and juvenile manner, how about
being
a
big

boy

and saying "I see you were right. Shame on them."

Paul



Wrong about what?


Yeah.

Paul

Seriously, about what was I wrong? I'd just like to know
specifically
what
this time.


Just wrong all around. Fox News is evil and a very serious threat
to
the
free flow of information vital to any democracy.

This is just more of that liberal arrogance. "People are too stupid
to
determine who is telling the truth and who is spinning it. We must
protect the stupid people, i.e., every one else."
One hallmark of liberals seems to me to be their unswerving belief
in
their own intellectual superiority.


Tell it to Thomas Jefferson who said that the free flow of information
was
vital to the survival of any democracy. I guess he was just another
arrogant liberal who hated successful corporations.

I agree that the free flow of information is vital.

If it is so vital then I'd expect to see something more from you than
trfashing the efforst of those who wold defend it. To us "lefties" it is
a
cherished right. To the rest, it is just something that can be sold to
make
a profit.

I categorically reject your characterization. I'm not "...trfashing
the efforst of those who wold defend it. " I'm laughing at the
hyperbolic heavy breathing of those who actually believe that relaxing
the FCC rules means the death of a free press.

You're funny. Watch out for those pieces of sky. ;-))

Then your a fool. What other way is here to describe it? And they are not
relaxing the rules because they have already done that to the point now
where they will eliminate them. And if you can't see the danger in that,
especially in light of the huge damage the preceding rule changes have made,
then I simply cannot explain it to you.

It is impossible and I give up.



Jefferson was uneasy about corporations, and didn't trust them. But I
certainly wouldn't call him an arrogant liberal, since he wasn't a
communist/socialist.

Why should he trust them when he saw what the Dutch and British East
India
Companies had done to them?

Maybe he was a little arrogant, but at least he had something to be
arrogant about, unlike today's libs, smug in their failures, because
they had goooooood intentions, while deriding conservative's
successes.

Depends on what you call success, Mike. If trashing the Constitution and
turning the government over to the hands of the likes of Murdoch and
other
predatory capitalists is success, then yeah, we resent the hell out of
them
and will stop them. There are other ideals at stake here that transcend
your profit over all mentality. Not everything of value has a price.
Just
because they have all the money and all the power does not mean they have
your's or this country's best interest at heart. Hell Murdoch isn't even
an
American. I can hardly wait for the day when all of my news is
controlled
by a Australian investor and his multi-national stockholders. I'm sure
all
of them will have nothing but respect for what is right and will never
put
their own special interests and money above their belief in democratic
values.


I'd like to know just what it is about right wingers who are so naive
they
think they can entrust cherished rights into the hands of those who
seek
only to make as much profit as is humanly possible and screw the
consequences. Fascism never had to wage much of a battle to win the
hearts
and minds of wingnuts. They got the keys handed to them on a gold
plate.

SO when 1 person controls all the media, and all the media content,
then

we'll just be so much better off for it won't we?

You mean like before Fox news, when all we had was ABCNBCCBSPBS? Like
that?

We had many more than that at one time. Plus there was cable, satellite,
radio and a host of others that will all be owned by one person if the
FCC
gets their way and gives the likes of Murdoch what they paid millions
(bribes) to achieve - total control. To you that is just so much ho hum
corporate success story but to me that is the death of democracy itself.

Then your perspective is more screwed up than I thought.

You'll just have to explain then how a corporate monopoly controlling all
that is seen and heard and reported in the news is a good thing.

Get busy, I'll be waiting.



Until the federally funded taxpayer supported networks, PBS and NPR
show some semblance of balance or fairness, the left has ZERO
credibility on this issue. None at all. Zip. Nada. NONE ... AT ...
ALL.

Actually, no, up until Disney, GE, Viacom and Murdoch bought them they
did a
mighty fair job of getting the truth out. Think we'll ever see another
Washington Post like we had in 1970? No way, baby. No way.

But speaking of hallmarks. Mickey - one of the biggest hallmarks of
fascism
or totalitarianism is the concentration of the media into a small
group
of
owners who are loyal body to the state.

Yes it is. If we ever get anywhere near that condition, we will most
likely do something about it.

Oh yeah, after there is nothing you can do about it then you will do
something about it. Kind of like saving the house after the fire has
burned
it down? Just who will stop them? And how? Once a freedom is lost, you
can't get it back.

Rules get removed and reinstated all the time, Paul.

Oh I see. simple as that. Your naiveté is stunning.



Just what is it about the ideals of democracy that you despise so much
that
you would replace it with despotism?

Your hyperbole is ridiculous.

Your fascist inclinations are insane.

I have no "fascist inclinations". You really have to stop using me as
a proxy for the RNC. I don't support the Republicans, especially at
this point.

You blithely speak of a fascist state that would have made Mussolini cream
is pantaloons and you'd have me believe you are some moderate? Please man,
don't insult me.

*I* think the Federal government should deliver the mail, protect the
borders, regulate international trade, and protect the weakest members
of society. That's all.

Yeah, typical libertarian. So how does handing the whole works over to
greedy and corrupt special corporate interest "protect the weakest?" Seems
to me the "weakest" have always been the biggest PITA to the elites who you
worship. Little bit of a conflict there, hairball.

Paul


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