Re: Your smokes, or your job? Unbelievable. The Sheep Look Up

On 12/10/05 11:15 PM, in article u6inp1hv6625ti3bi790n0n7fdd49e5sv2@xxxxxxx,
"Hutch" <champboat@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 22:00:04 -0800, Lee
> <watters3nospammersorwade@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On 12/10/05 9:00 PM, in article 0icnp1d7ahb1c1m4anu2oge5ettv6229se@xxxxxxx,
>> "Hutch" <champboat@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 19:20:09 -0800, Lee
>>> <watters3nospammersorwade@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Robbery victims and robbers meet because the
>>>> victims tended to be afraid of being robbed and the robber needed someone
>>>> to
>>>> rob.
>>>
>>> Bull***. And I say that in the nicest way :)
>>
>> Of course... <g>
>>
>> Everything happens for reason. Cause and effect are inextricably linked.
>
> <nodding head>
>
>> That said, you'll notice I wrote "tend to." Sometimes it's other stuff,
>> filed under "invisible *** happens,"
>
> I evidently consider that a higher % than you :)

It's math -- you know that¹s' not my strong point <g>. There are those,
however, who would argue that it's always the case, though you may not
always know what triggered it. People who faced something as a child and
recreate it constantly throughout their lives because it becomes a
thermostat setting, if you will.
>
>> then it's up to us to choose how to
>> react to it.
>
> A lot of the time :)

Always <g>

>>
>> But how often have you heard victims say, "I've been afraid of this since I
>> moved in here." Or "I knew this would happen to me." Too often.
>
> I grant some merit to the concept of self-fulfilling prophecy, but
> place as much weight on randomness and preparation meeting
> opportunity. Part of what I have seen happen along the lines of the
> former, and related to your victim example, is the prey aura that some
> folks exude. They are fearful, which predators can sense from a
> variety of indicators, and thus are more likely to be the object of
> harm/abuse. I can and do spend a great deal of time in the worst
> neighborhoods in Dallas and Ft Worth and have never been accosted,
> bothered or threatened. I have a buddy that wouldn't be able to walk a
> block with being robbed. I believe that this is because I put off a
> different aura than he does. So in that sense I guess I sorta agree
> with you, just not to the extent you espouse.

We're on the same page, roughly.


>>>
>> Ever watch a group of people come around to one persuasive argument or one
>> person's firmly-held belief crushed under the weight of group think? There's
>> more at work than just verbal persuasion -- it's vibrational matching on a
>> cellular level.
>
> That's a little deep for me :)

<G>

>>
>> There are incredible new frontiers of study that are only now starting to
>> examine these relationships in events. Those who fear "X" will meet up with
>> someone who can fulfill that fear. Just as those who know that good will
>> happen to them in some situation will meet up with whatever will provide
>> that.
>
> Now this part I agree the most with, although, again, not to the
> extent that you do. I'd be willing to say that positive results are
> *more likely* to follow positive attitude, and visa versa. My own
> personal example, of which you are pretty savvy, is a perfect example,
> and is probably why I am able to understand what you are saying. When
> I did bad things, and had no faith in human nature (big etc. here :) I
> reaped what I sowed. My current positive, optimistic, faith-based
> attitude has resulted in a life that I was never even able to imagine
> prior.

Exactly my point!
>
>> Expectation and intent are intensely powerful in shaping our lives.
>
> Definitely !
>
>> Beliefs
>> are nothing more than opinions, fears or desires practiced over and over and
>> over again.
>
> Not sure about the desires part, but they are certainly "old tapes"
> that we refuse to re-record :)
>
>> Evidence appears to support it, enhancing its "reality" to the
>> believer, leading them to more evidence, etc.
>
> It's a tough cycle to escape from.
>
>> It's a fascinating process,
>> and if you watch it consciously in your own life, you can see how it works
>> both for you and against you, and you can start to manage the process.
>
> yes :)

And I admire you greatly for the way you've managed yours.

>>
>> Once again, it's simple physics. Like attracts like.
>
> I think of it more as psychic change, not physical. But the physical
> certainly and obviously follows the mental. How often can we tell a
> persons frame of mind instantly upon seeing them ? And how many doom
> and gloom folks do we know that are in poor health ? An even better
> example might be cancer survivors that just flat *refused* to give up.

Good wxample.

>
>> If you want some interesting and basic reading on all of this, I suggest (I
>> don't agree with everything they posit, but it's all interesting):
>
> <snipping a list of definite headache inducers> :)

LOL

>>
>> And if you really want to get into it, I recommend watching "What the Bleep
>> Do We Know" -- but you have to watch it twice or the wedding reception scene
>> makes no sense <g>
>
> Funny that you should mention that show. While scanning channels
> recently I stopped on it. The scene was that deaf girl smearing
> toothpaste on the mirror and saying bad stuff about herself. I kept
> surfing :)
>
> <snipping spam> :)
>>
>> My journey has been one from blindly adopting my parents' belief that "God
>> Predetermines Everything" (we were Presbyterian)
>
> Mine started at quite the opposite end...."there is no God...."he" is
> for the weak and not too smart" :)

Interesting...
>
>> to one of knowing that we
>> all have access to more of the wisdom of the Universe (the mind of God) than
>> we ever imagined. And that we set the tone for what happens around us by
>> what we focus on and ask God/the Universe to deliver to us by what we focus
>> on, both good and bad, whether we're spiritual, religious or none of the
>> above.
>
> Mine has evolved to "Do the best I can and I will get what I
> deserve/earn".
>
>> My life works now; it didn't before.
>
> That would be an understatement for me :)

I defer to you on that one, my friend <g>
>
>> My Dad always said that none of
>> us have the whole truth, but we each hold a piece of it. That's my journey;
>> yours is yours (and it's been an interesting one as well, based on our
>> conversations <g>)
>
> It's been a wild ride :)
>>
>> It doesn't change my day-to-day life if you agree or disagree, although it
>> does present a chance to discuss this with people I like and respect (which
>> I thoroughly enjoy).
>
> I had a similar discussion with Tim on the way up to Tahoe from Reno,
> and was very interested that the tenets that he is currently
> gravitating toward are those which I have been learning and embracing
> for almost 5 years now.....and the most interesting part was that the
> source of each of our learning paths was worlds apart, with the end
> result being incredibly similar.

I have the conversation often with friends -- and the number of paths never
ceases to amaze me. But that's part of the fun.

>>
>> But either way, it's unbelievably fascinating. This life is a fascinating
>> game of discovery about the nature of reality, the roles we each play, the
>> physics of human interaction, and more. And the more we discover, the more
>> fascinating it becomes.
>>
>> That said, I need a cigar <G>...
>
> I believe that I will join you. I'll smoke a Monte 4 with you in mind
> :)

<G>

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