Re: Is the Quran Preserved?
- From: Jews are good folks too <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:54:33 -0400
The Cunning Linguist wrote:
Is the Quran Preserved?
Khaled
The Quran makes this claim:
Verily, we have sent down the Reminder, and, verily, we will guard it.
Q15:9
According to Muslim commentators like Ibn Kathir, this Reminder is the
Quran since just a few verses before that we read in the same Surah:
But they say, 'O thou to whom the Reminder has been sent down! verily,
thou art possessed.' Q15:6
Muslims say that, "O thou to whom the reminder has been sent down," refers
to Muhammad and therefore the Reminder spoken about here must be the
Quran. Muslims conclude that this is Allah's promise that the Qur'an
cannot be corrupted and is accurately preserved to this day.
Some Christian apologists make the argument that the Reminder refers to
all of Allah's messages including the one revealed in the Bible. Muslims
usually reject this claim and say that Allah guards only the Quran. Taking
into account everything that the Quran says about the Scriptures of the
Jews and the Christians, one can make a solid argument that the Quran
presupposes that the Jews and Christians possess indeed God's authentic
and uncorrupted revelation (see these articles). However, since Muslims
often do not accept those arguments, the purpose of this paper is to show
that their position leads to a set of logical problems. Thus, for
argument's sake I will go along with these Muslim claims, and explore
where this interpretation will lead us when taken together with some other
Muslim convictions.
In other places, the Quran makes the claim to be impeccable:
falsehood shall not come to it, from before it, nor from behind it - a
revelation from the wise, the praiseworthy One. Q41:42
Do they not meditate on the Qur'ran? if it were from other than God they
would find in it many a discrepancy. Q4:82
At the same time, Muslims believe that there are verses in the Quran which
say that the previous Revelations have been corrupted:
O thou Apostle! let not those grieve thee who vie in misbelief; or those
who say with their mouths 'We believe,' but their hearts do not believe;
or of those who are Jews, listeners to a lie, - listeners to other people,
but who come not to thee. They pervert the words from their places and
say, ' If this is what ye are given, take it; but if ye are not given it,
then beware!' but he whom God wishes to mislead, thou canst do nothing
with God for him; these are those whose hearts God wishes not to purify,
for them in this world is disgrace, and for them in the next is mighty
woe, Q5:41; check also Q3:78, Q2:79, Q4:46 and Q5:13.
Still, the the Quran commands the Muslims to believe in the previous
Revelations:
who believe in what is revealed to thee (Muhammad), and what was
revealed
before thee, and of the hereafter they are sure. Q2:4
The Apostle (Muhammad) believes in what is sent down to him from his
Lord,
and the believers (Muslims) all believe on God, and His angels, and His
Books, and His apostles,- we make no difference between any of His
apostles,- they say, 'We hear and obey, Thy pardon, O Lord! for to Thee
our journey tends. Q2:285
Say (O Muslims), 'We believe in God, and what has been revealed to thee,
and what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and
the tribes, and what was given to Moses, and Jesus, and the prophets from
their Lord,- we will make no distinction between any of them,- and we are
unto Him resigned. Q3:84
These previous Revelations include the following:
We did reveal the Torah (Tawrat), wherein is guidance and a light ...
Q5:44
And already have we written in the Psalms (Zabur) after the reminder
that
the earth shall my righteous servants inherit.' Q21:105
Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the
previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel (Injil), containing
guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and
augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous. Q5:46
Let us summarize the claims that were presented so far:
1.. The Quran is preserved.
2.. God's Revelations which preceded the Quran include the Torah, the
Psalms, and the Gospel.
These Books make up a large portion of the Holy Bible.
3.. The Quran, the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel are all the Word of
Allah.
4.. God's Word does not change.
5.. The revelations that came before the Quran have become corrupted.
6.. Although Muslims should believe that these previous Books are the
genuine Revelations from God,
they have to trust only the Quran as the final revelation and the only
one
that is preserved.
We now have to deal with this logic:
1.. The Quran, the Torah, the Psalms and the Gospel are all Allah's
Word. 2.. The current Torah, Psalms and Gospel are corrupted.
3.. The final word of Allah, the Quran is preserved.
1st Conclusion: Some of Allah's Words are corrupted
2nd Conclusion: Some of Allah's Words are preserved.
Based on the above generalizations we can construct these deductive
arguments:
Major premise: Some of Allah's Words are corrupted.
Minor premise: The Quran is Allah's Word.
Conclusion: The Quran could be corrupted.
Or we could do it another way:
Major premise: Some of Allah's Words are preserved.
Minor premise: The Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel are Allah's Words.
Conclusion: The Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel could be preserved.
The Main Problem
Since Allah allowed his previous Revelations to be corrupted by weak human
people, this leads to one of the following assumptions about Allah:
1.. Allah is a weak god; he could not protect his previous Revelations.
He
also gains more power and might throughout time, because he supposedly is
now able to protect his last revelation, the Quran.
2.. Allah does not care about people being misled by counterfeit
revelations. And yet he will still punish individuals with hell fire
because they follow a corrupted Message even though they may have not come
to the realization that Allah had allowed it to be corrupted. That means
Allah is unjust.
In light of the above, how can we trust that the Quran is preserved if
these three Revelations are corrupted? How can a person trust that Allah
did not fail to protect his so-called final revelation, the Quran, when he
was too weak to prevent people from tampering with his previous Messages?
Maybe Allah needs to a send a fifth revelation? Perhaps he has already
sent down this fifth book, and that is actually the revelation given to
Baha'ullah the founder of the Baha'i faith?
More importantly, how do Muslims reconcile their position with Allah's
claim in the Quran that "there is no changing the words of God"?
Muslims, you have to make a decision and choose one of these alternatives:
1.. The Quran is preserved and the earlier Revelations are corrupted. In
that case, Allah is either weak or he is unjust. That is the only
explanation for his preservation of the Quran and letting people corrupt
his previous Revelations.
2.. The Quran is corrupted like the other Revelations. Then you should
either not read it since you do not read other corrupted Revelations, or
maybe you should read these other corrupted Revelations just as you insist
on reading the corrupted Quran.
3.. The Quran is preserved, and the previous Revelations have also been
preserved. That means then you should read these authentic Revelations
(the Bible) for yourself.
4.. The Quran is corrupted but the earlier Revelations are preserved.
Obviously, you should then abandon the Quran and read the Bible.
Just a second, I'm not finished yet.
If you picked option number three, then you will be faced with another
problem. The Quran contradicts these previous Revelations in many
essential points. That means that the Quran is a false message which
cannot be >from God since God is not the author of confusion. He could not
reveal a message that contradicts his previous Messages.
If you do not like these alternatives, then tell me:
What exactly do you think is wrong with my above observations and
conclusions?
If you do not accept my premises and therefore reject my conclusions,
then:
PROVE TO ME THAT THE QURAN IS PRESERVED.
You have to do that in a rational way without quoting the Quran since that
would only be a repetition of the claim, not a proof, or trying to prove
that the previous Revelations are corrupted which in no way proves the
Quran not to be corrupted, or providing me with (what I consider fake)
scientific miracles in the Quran. I want you to resolve the philosophical
problem outlined above.
Show me logically and rationally how the Muslim assertion of a perfectly
preserved Quran together with an alleged corruption of God's earlier
Revelations is not an insult to God's perfect justice and great power.
Great article! You made a good point! Ferengi can't argue with you!
--
JP
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