Re: The miracles of the qur'an (REPOST)

On Apr 24, 6:04 pm, alt <spamt...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:34:16 +0100, 1man4all wrote:
Prophet Muhammad did not claim to be "inspired" by angels; Quran was
revealed to him as the Word of God. Does the Bible claim that it's the
direct word of God? Jews/Christians make that assumption but the Bible
does not claim that for itself.

The Bible does make that claim. "All Scripture is given by inspiration of
God (literally: God-breathed), and is profitable for doctrine, for
reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of
God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy
3:16)

But that's a comment that Paul made. Mark, Luke, Matthew and John
never stated in their gospels that they were inspired by God, or did
they?

What I meant to say is that almost every sacred books claim their spiritual
authority by invoking similar claims. For the bible, the book of Mormon,
they don't claim the same exact thing as the qur'an, but they claim divine
inspiration. The exact details of their origins isn't relevant here.

The adherents of those faiths claim divine inspirations but those
other books make it clear that they were written by human beings. The
four gospels were allegedly written by Mark, Luke, Matthew and John.
There is no evidence from the Bible itself that they were inspired by
God.

The books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are biographies of Jesus.
Their godly inspiration is a function of Jesus' divinity.

But where do they claim in the four gospels that God inspired them?

The same can be said about much of the Old Testament, even
though there are passages in there in which God was quoted verbatim.

A lot of the Old Testament is historical. God speaks to Israel through His
prophets - not unlike Allah speaking through Muhammad. It is through His
prophets that He sent down his law.

But it's fairly obvious that God's words are mixed up with the words
of prophets and later on of other people. For example, Moses didn't
write about his own death, or did he? Who was the prophet inspired by
God to narrate that historical event?

The Book of Mormon also claims to have been written by Prophet
Mormon. Nowhere does it claim to be a direct word of God. That may
not be important to you, but it is to me, because if a "sacred" book
does not even claim to be from God, why should I even bother to
'consider' it as holy.

I can claim my Chevy 1/2 truck is actually a Porsche 911 Turbo... that
doesn't make it so.

That's a false analogy because authorship of a book is not the same as
owning a truck. If your Chevy truck says GM on it---they manufactured
it---why should anybody call it Porsche? Even if you argue that your
Chevy was *inspired* by Porsche, that would suggest an imitation, not
Porsche designers instructing GM workers what to put in that truck. In
other words, what you have is an extremely poor argument.

If I were to claim that I was the second coming of Jesus, would you
believe me just because I said so? Of course not. Then why does the Qu'ran
saying it is the revealed words of Allah then make it suddenly
authoritative of its own?

My point was that among sacred scriptures of organized religions,
Quran is the 'only' book that claims to be the direct word of God. So
if I am looking around for a book authored by God, why should I even
consider other scriptures when they don't EVEN make that claim?
Whether you end up believing that Quran is the word of God or not is
another matter.

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