Re: The miracles of the qur'an
- From: 1man4all <forahmad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 16 Apr 2007 20:34:25 -0700
On Apr 15, 1:11 am, le physicien nocturne <nos...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Who he is and his intellectual abilities is irrelevant. The point is: the
qur'an proposes a challenge which can be met with all the knowledge,
computers and technology that we have today. Fermat's last theorem was
solved recently, and an army of people tackling the qur'an "problem" can
certainly find a solution. There is no reason that the qur'an's challenge
can't be met.
Then go ahead and meet that challenge. Write a book in rhyme that is
totally consistent, makes laws, discusses social issues, correctly
describes natural phenomena 1400 years before their discovery, has no
grammatical error, is so easy to remember that millions of people who
don't even know the language have been able to memorize it, and which
can gain millions of adherents, and you would have met that challenge.
Try also this link:
As soon as the qur'an's challenge is stated with enough data to prevent
misjudgment, the challenge could be solved maybe within 10 years.
Then try it.
The questions you should be asking yourself are the following: Mirza
just took one verse from Deedat's article, but mentions nothing about
what Deedat had to say. If he was just going to quote the verse, why
mention Deedat? It does not make any sense.
Mirza goes on to make ridiculous comments. If the Holy Quran has
numerous sub-chapters within each Surah, linked together in rhythm,
why is it bad? Doesn't that allow the Author to write about hundreds
of subjects in one small book? Don't we find such a thing in music?
Keep in mind that Quran means "recitation,"not a book.
There's nothing bad in rhythm, recitation, music or anything else.
The problem is with the claim of divine inspiration of the qur'an.
Why is it a problem? Quran is the only book in which the Author boldly
speaks like God, not appealing but rhetorically asking questions and
telling people what is right and wrong. It's bit abrasive, but that's
what you would expect from God Almighty. All other religious books are
Compare with Joseph Smith (Mormon), Rael (the French cult leader), and many
other cults. Most often, they claim divine (or innerrant) inspiration just
because they want to establish some sort of moral absolute. The divine
origin is their justification of the absoluteness of their moral standard.
In our days, we still see many kooks claiming to be God, Jesus or inspired
by angels. Now, they're competing with science, and they're no match
against science. It was not so in the times of the bible and the qur'an.
Well I have read the Book of the Mormon, and I would say that it's an
interesting story, but where does it tell me how I should live my
life. I also find the book bit racist.
What's the evidence for Point #5? Where does it say that each and
every book must have a chronology? Which contradictions is Mirza
referring to? I haven't seen any.
Where is the evidence that Muslims were killed upon finding out
"contradictions" in the Quran?
Didn't some hadith mention that those who apostasied in Mohammed's time?
You didn't answer my question. But where is the evidence that people
were killed for finding contradictions in the Quran? By the way,
Prophet Muhammad didn't have anybody killed simply for apostasy.
It's a fact that there are difficult points in the qur'an. Explanable or
not, this shows that the qur'an is similar to other religious books.
Difficult points like what?
The problem with religious books is that they claim to be the perfect /
final / errorless version inspired by God. If these books accept revisions
to correct errors, this would show that these books aren't inspired by God.
Quran has never been revised.
Besides, books written without any claims of divine inspiration can be made
much less prone to errors, depending on how much it gets revised, checked
and corrected. Just think of an operating system, either Linux or Windows.
Windows was so well known to suffer from many bugs, but now it's pretty much
Then why do we get a new version of Windows every few years?
Why is it a bad thing that millions of people who do not even know
Arabic are able to memorize the Quran? That ought to be considered
It's nothing miraculous, I think it's easier to memorize songs than
remembering by heart a plain text. Besides, one can learn a song in a
foreign language without necessarily understanding it. What is different
with the qur'an is that book is supposed to be used as guidance. Memorizing
it in arabic is pointless if it's not understood.
Easier said than done. Try memorizing 114 songs of any language that
you don't know.
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