The Concept of Eternal Damnation in Islam



Warren Hopper wrote:

What's a nice guy like you doing in a newsgroup like this ?

Entertainment? Testing human will? Boosting my own ego? Irrational urge
to set the record straight? Civic/religious duty? I wish I knew :-)

It's just sheer meanness for me. If I weren't on these newgroups, I'd be
beating my wife and kids.

LOL. I guess if you are using inflated egos of your political rivals as
punching bags that makes a lot of sense.

By the way, welcome back!

I'm not sure if I'm back. There's too much gristle and not enough meat in
this newsgroup. The newgroup talk.politics.mideast seems to have a more
savory mix.

BTW, the Neo-Whatevers and White Airy Fairies are on a rampage about the
immigrant issue. They think they smell blood, their own I hope. That's why
there's a constant barrage of bigot-talk in this group, not that it ever
entirely subsides, but it's gotten worse in the past few months. I think it
will subside to a background roar in a few weeks or months as people realize
what is going on and the inevitable backlash against them builds.

I have been very surprised how this illegal immigration issue has
gripped this country. It's as if people suddenly woke up and found
Hispanic illegals "invading" the country. Once again, talk radio has
been blaring out its shameless bigotry. For us Muslims, however, it
has brought some much needed relief. Hispanics have replaced Muslims as
the targeted community, and for the time being we are off the hook ;-)

I have different take on this subject. After listening to several
call-in radio shows, I am beginning to think that many people in this
country, for whom the Republican Party was once a refuge, are becoming
disillusioned with the two-party system. They will try to replace some
of the Republicans, who voted for the immigration bill, in the next
primaries season but if that doesn't work, I'm afraid they are
going to start joining fringe groups such as the Minutemen, militias,
and perhaps newer offshoots of KKK.


I wanted to respond to one of your posts on
Freud and dreams but never got the time. Still interested?

Always interested.

I've been thinking about a point you raised that I didn't know how to
respond to at the time. It's the idea that people can somehow transmit or
project their thoughts to one another, I forgot your exact words but that
was the basic idea, telepathy in other words.

I've been thinking about idea of 'resonance'. As an example, the dog has
escaped and gone somewhere. I know the dog and know it loves water so I
check the lake. Or I know it's breeding season, so I check down the street
at the house where his love interest lives. In other words, I'm not
starting for a position of total ignorance, so I can predict what the dog is
going to do based on my knowledge of him.


Well, my view is that a soul is just like a computer with an internet
connection. Perhaps when electrical impulses in the brain reach a
certain threshold, a person can 'link' with another being, who has
reached the same frequency, without being in direct contact. And
that's why telepathy only works in certain conditions. I like your
word "resonance." When two people have fallen in love, there is
"resonance" and strange coincidences happen. Some people call it
love's magic. Rumi the Persian poet once wrote that you cannot love
a person unless that person has some love for you. If you suddenly find
yourself thinking about a person you haven't seen in many years, it
may very well be that that person is also thinking of you!

The brain, I am sure, can browse the universe-wide "web" and that
is why people often come up with the same idea. When a person is fast
asleep, he or she can browse more rapidly, without distractions, and
it's a common occurrence that solutions to many problems come just
before waking up. When a person dreams, he or she browses through
symbolic images that portent what's ahead, preparing that person for
new challenges. It's like having a map, in the form of a trailer,
but one has to decipher what it means.

Visions are sort of instant symbolic messages. For example, recently, a
family member had a major heart operation. While I was praying for him,
the image of daikon (white radish) with leafs flashed before my eyes.
I never eat radishes, so that was highly unusual. Later on, I learned
that daikons not only dissolve excess fat which is the number cause of
heart arterial blockage but it also has anti-carcinogenic properties.
Perhaps, I can start selling daikon juice as a cure for obesity and
heart decease. How about 1man4all diet? : -)

I had a very strange dream about a week ago, about George Bush of all
people. He was somehow helpless and I was somehow protecting him for
something threatening him. Needless to say, it was a very disturbing dream,
more disturbing than leopards leaping out at me. I'm used to leopards
leaping at me in dreams, I'm not used to being sympathetic to George Bush.

LOL. If you aren't joking, what this dreams means is that you'll
have great trouble and you will do your best that other people don't
find out about it. Did it happen? Am I right or wrong?

I was half expected something strange out of Georgie ( or myself for having
such a weird dream ) and then, lo and behold, the Iron President who's never
made a mistake admits that he regrets all the tough-talk about Iraq,
"bring'em on", etc. I still haven't recovered from the shock, by that I
mean literal shock. I hardly know what to think about it.

I actually was not surprised by that. As you pointed out, Tony Blair
had a lot to do with it. After doing the tough talk it was expected
that Bush would eventually try to reach some accommodation with
insurgents in Iraq, so that at least some US troops could stay
permanently in Iraq. Note, that as soon as the new Iraqi cabinet was
sworn in, Blair immediately rushed to Baghdad to talk with the new
Prime Minister. The idea is to placate Iraqis, who are getting tired of
the violence, and to prevent the Iraqi parliament from unilaterally
calling for the withdrawal of US and British troops.

Obviously I know my George pretty well. More than that, I seem to have a
sense of how much *he* knows about himself. Believe it or not, I grew up
amidst rich-kid frat boys, not that I was one. I was one of the poor-kid
friends the masters of the manor would bring in for playtime with the
heir-apparent, sort of like Charles Dickens in retrospect. I know the way
their minds move, the weight of their thoughts and the feel of their hearts
beating in their chest, so to speak.

I must have noticed that the famous Bush smirk was not quite as smirky as it
had been and I 'resonated' on that and other visual and verbal clues.
Clearly, regretting the silly tough-talk was a rational progression of
thought on Georgie's part, so it was fairly predictable in hindsight.

But it still amazes me that he admitted it. Blair must have some deep
symbolic meaning to Bush. The rich folks all love the Brits, they would be
dukes and royalty too, if Americans let them. Maybe that's what triggered
it.

The Brits are master politicians, and having once ruled the Middle
East, they understand it fairly well. They know that the majority of
Iraqis want foreign troops to leave. But the game was always to invade
and end up with a small US/British military presence in Iraq. Bush and
Blair are trying to prepare Americans and Britons, and my guess is that
by the end of this summer they are going to announce that the majority
of US and British troops would be coming home soon.

Sometimes I think I can almost feel young Osama's heartbeat, dressed up in
his gray slacks and blue blazer, attending the country club dance. He and
Georgie came from much the same social class, in different societies of
course, but nonetheless from the same ultra-privileged background. But of
course Osama went in a different direction ( but maybe not as much as he
thinks or we think ? ). I still think that some sort of bizarre unspoken
dialog is going on between the two. It may have been clouding Georgie's
judgement about the 'War on Terror', or whatever it's supposed to be at this

LOL. Here is a picture of Osama's younger days:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1595205.stm

The rule of thumb is that rich people never leave all their eggs in one
basket, get bored easily, and change their mind quickly when things
aren't going their way.

Sometimes I can't help but wonder that OBL chose this life because he
got bored; he had everything: money, palaces, four wives, plenty of
kids, cars etc. He was missing adventure. But according to some
interviews he has given, everything changed for him when he saw on TV
how apartment buildings in Beirut were collapsing under heavy
bombardment during Israel's invasion of Lebanon.

Like other Saudis of his generation, OBL must have been very
pro-American at one time or another, in spite of full American backing
for Israel. And that is why he worked hand-in-hand with the CIA to get
the Soviets out of Afghanistan. With their enormous wealth, Saudis were
also used to seeing Americans as their (very expensive) servants. So,
when Iraq invaded Kuwait, Gulf Arabs saw Americans as hired guns who
would do the job and leave. However, when it turned out that the US
had no intention of leaving Saudi Arabia or other Gulf states, it
dawned on people like OBL that they now have to launch another struggle
to get foreign forces out of their country. They chose terrorism as an
easy way out, which we all know doesn't work.

Lately I have been thinking that OBL has probably given up on terrorism
and wants to try something else but doesn't exactly know what to do.
His latest audio gives some indication of that.


Anyway, it was a very strange dream that seems to have had a significant
predictive power about 'unpredictable' events.

:- )

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