Re: A Moral War - VDH
- From: lanman <xlanmanx@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 10:42:28 -0800
On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 21:43:09 -0500, "Bob Cooper" <rcooper1@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
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>"Richard Dell" <rfdell@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "Bob Cooper" <rcooper1@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> | http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120205.html
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>> | Hanson is fascinating as usual, whether you agree with him or not.
>>
>> I am afraid I find no new information, no new insight and no persuasive
>> argument here, nor have I found much of substance from VDH since his
>> first article after 9-11 (why the Muslims misjudged us).
>
>Hmmm. I find that mildly surprising. I would have expected somewhat
>more sympathy and approval for Hanson from you. I wonder what your
>specific criticisms are?
>
>Personally, I'm a Hanson fan, though I find much to disagree with. I
>think, for example, he may be entirely too optimistic about the outcome
>in Iraq. My glasses are not nearly as rose-colored as his when he says
>things like, "The administration realizes that as long as it stays the course
>and our military remains confident we can win, we will..." I'm much more
>guardedly optimistic than that.
>
>However, where I strongly agree with him is on the morality of our
>goals in Iraq -- what we have done, and are trying to do. I think
>he states that case well:
>
>==================================================
>We took no oil - the price in fact skyrocketed after we invaded Iraq. We
>did not do Israel's bidding; in fact, it left Gaza after we went into Iraq and
>elections followed on the West Bank. We did not want perpetual
>hegemony - in fact, we got out of Saudi Arabia, used the minimum
>amount of troops possible, and will leave Iraq anytime its consensual
>government so decrees. And we did not expropriate Arab resources, but,
>in fact, poured billions of dollars into Iraq to jumpstart its new consensual
>government in the greatest foreign aid infusion of the age.
>==================================================
>
>And, that doesn't even mention the fact that we removed a sadistical,
>demented tyrant who was torturing and killing his own people,
>supporting terrorism and threatening the world with WMD. And, to me,
>whether he had them in hand -- which may not have been the case -- or
>had the intent and potential to develop them within a few years -- which
>certainly was the case -- is immaterial.
>
>> | I wondered the other day why more folks weren't writing about the
>> significance
>> | of what position the new government to be elected in December might
>> take
>> | on US withdrawal. Well, Hanson seems to be very much aware of it,
>> and he
>> | seems optimistic they will indeed ask us to stay.
>
>> I think most would be very surprised if the US were asked to leave.
>
>Congressman Murtha repeatedly cites polls he claims show that 80%
>of Iraqis want us to leave. However, I have yet to hear exactly *when* they
>want us to leave by. That would seem to be a germane question.
>
Murtha seems to be enjoying his 15 minutes of fame. Despite many years
in Congrss, Murtha was a virtual unknown prior to spewing his
outlandish, bordering on traitorous comments.
Now that he has spoken out strongly against Bush and the Iraq war, the
left-wing media seized the opportunity to glorify another stooge
willing to spread anti-war propaganda that "the war cannot be won
militarily" and that "we are the problem".
When Republicans forced a vote for immediate withdrawal, the vote
ended up Bush 403, Murtha 3. Murtha is an old fool who now brings
disgrace to his country and the Marines, and his irresponsible
comments put US troops at greater risk by encouraging our enemies to
continue to fight believing that they can win over time when the US
loses its spine and runs away. It's time for Murtha to resign.
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