Re: WHAT ARE YOUR KIDS LEARNING ABOUT ISLAM?
- From: Phaedrine <Phaedrine.Stonebridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:48:30 -0600
In article <g_Mgf.12754$Mi5.7992@dukeread07>,
"Bob Cooper" <rcooper1@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> "Phaedrine" <Phaedrine.Stonebridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:Phaedrine.Stonebridge-17C240.00120822112005@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > In article <Uprgf.11507$Mi5.7167@dukeread07>,
> > "Bob Cooper" <rcooper1@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > "Phaedrine" <Phaedrine.Stonebridge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:Phaedrine.Stonebridge-F5248B.14425621112005@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > ..
> > > > In article <A2ngf.11486$Mi5.11476@dukeread07>,
> > > > "Bob Cooper" <rcooper1@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > http://michellemalkin.com/archives/003957.htm
> > > > [...]
> > > > > A Contra Costa County school was educating seventh-graders about
> > > > > Islam, not indoctrinating them, in role-playing sessions in which
> > > > > students used Muslim names and recited language from prayers, a
> > > > > federal appeals court ruled Thursday.
> > > > [...]
> > > > > ==================================================
> > > > >
> > > > > Go to the link to see excerpts from the curriculum. A few
> > > > > samples:
> > > > >
> > > > > "From the beginning, you and your classmates will become
> > > > > Muslims."
> > > > >
> > > > > "Instructions: Your group must complete the Muslim's Five Pillars
> > > > > of Faith. Your Caliph will keep track of the progress on the
> > > > > Caravan Log."
> > > > >
> > > > > Naturally assuming that the ACLU would be absolutely bonkers
> > > > > about this, I went to their site to sample the outrage. Oddly, I
> > > > > cannot find even a mention of this case.
> > > >
> > > > Naturally assuming that the White House would be absolutely bananas
> > > > about this, their web site doesn't seem to mention it at all. Must
> > > > be a plot..... ;)
> > > >
> > > > > Of course, if evangelical Christians would try to pull something
> > > > > like this, their heads would explode. Strange, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > Unless this Islamic curriculum is found in the context of a "World
> > > > religions" course (which it is not), this decision seems pretty
> > > > lame (as presented by Malkin) and another of many cases of
> > > > religious interest groups, including the
> > > > intelligent-design-anti-science cadre, trying to inflict their
> > > > personal religious views on public school youth.
> > >
> > > Given the reputation of the 9th Circuit, I wouldn't wory too much
> > > about the "intelligent-design-anti-science cadre", if I were you.
> > > They haven't got a chance.
> > >
> > > But, I don't believe your analogy is very accurate. These people are
> > > teaching not some alternative view of science...
> >
> > Let's get something straight first. ID is not science. It's religion
> > attempting to masquerade as science.
>
> I chose my words carefully. I did not say it was science. I said it was
> an alternate view of science. Not the same thing.
No matter. The IDers think it IS science and they want it taught in
science classes. So your comparison is shakey.
> > > ...but the customs, practices and texts of Islam itself -- one of the
> > > assignments is to *memorize* verses from the Quran. I doubt they are
> > > motivated by any "religious interest group". In fact, I doubt Muslims
> > > have much to do with it.
> >
> > Actually, quite some time ago I read that a muslim group on the west
> > coast was sending speakers into the schools to educate students about
> > islam and developing curriculum modules and handouts to be used in
> > public school classrooms. I thought someone posted that article here.
> > It was a huge flap as I recall.
>
> Uh....isn't that exactly what we're talking about here? The article says
> this case was originally decided two years ago.
Uh... you said the main problem was "multicultural diversity" and that
you doubted that muslims had much to do with it. Given that, I assumed
you meant it was the *school's* idea.
> > > ...The main "religion" involved here, in my
> > > opinion, is the secular religion of "multicultural diversity" -- a
> > > far greater danger to our liberty than all the Creationists and
> > > Intelligent Designers combined.
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, what exactly is "multicultural diversity" and how
> > is it a danger to our liberty?
>
> It is the mistaken theory that all cultures are equally "good", with the
> exception, in the US, of the dominant white, European,
> Judaeo-Christian-based culture, which is -- by definition -- corrupt
> and immoral.
I must lead a sheltered life because, prior to 9-11 & posting to this NG
I always thought "multicultural diversity" was merely another term for
"melting pot". It never even occurred to me that it might have meant
what you said. Nor did I ever hold a belief that all cultures are
equally good. But I accept that this is an idea that was and is being
taught in American schools. It is a ridiculous notion that diminishes
the concept of democracy and the freedoms associated therewith.
While my children have not been subjected to muslim teachings in school,
they have, OTOH, been absolutely deluged with bible-thumpers preaching
nonsense at them like the earth is only 6000 years old and that humans
and dinosaurs coexisted. Religion does not belong in public schools.
> ...It is dangerous precisely because it gives rise to
> cases like the one we are discussing, where, for example, the
> ACLU sits silently on its hands while indoctrination in Islam is
> practiced in a public school, while they would be screaming like
> stuck pigs should anyone venture to read a verse from the Bible
> in that same school.
I don't know that is true. Can you substantiate your claim? Was the
ACLU approached on the matter and refused to take the case? Do you even
know how they work and how they take cases? When is the last time you
gave them a contribution to support taking on such issues?
> > > > The new SCOTUS nominee has gone out of his way to endorse what
> > > > looks like the intrusion of religion into our public institutions.
> > >
> > > Yeah, I heard he's not too crazy about Roe, either :>)
> >
> > It's not just Roe..... it's the return of gender discrimination and the
> > rollback of women's and other civil rights. I guess lots of religiocon
> > men are feeling pretty insecure these days.
>
> On the contrary. With the appointment of Roberts and the prospective
> appointment of Alioto, I, for one, am feeling rather more secure :>)
No surprise there... that does prove my point.
> > The vast majority of Americans support choice.
>
> Then, it would appear you have no problem, regardless of what the
> Court does. You need only have that "vast majority" elect representatives
> who will legalize abortion the old-fashioned way -- by passing laws
> in Congress and the State Legistatures.
When women have the right to tell men what they can or cannot do with
their reproductive systems or what kind of medical procedures they can
or cannot have, I might consider that.
> > This is a tinder box but that's never stopped
> > the faux-Christers from trying to impose their will on others. I fear
> > it will get bloody before balance is restored.
> >
> > > > So, this 9th Circuit decision is perhaps the first in a long line
> > > > of many.
> > >
> > > It's hardly the first looney decision by the 9th Circuit, and I'm
> > > sure it won't be the last.
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