Re: Raptured Like Noah?

On Feb 25, 9:46 am, Read The Bible <biblever...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


The NT saints of Revelation 13:10, 14:12 must be in
the NT Church,

No. All "saint" refers to is one who is "set apart." You must not
bring in your preformulated theological bent and read it into the
text. Also, as has been pointed out to you several times before, the
Greek will not allow such a conclusion. For in both Rev 1:19 (the
"key" of the chronology of this epistle) and Rev 4:1 both employ the
ingressive aorist tense. John uses this tense only in very specific
instances such as Jn 1:14 "and the Word became flesh." This tense
declares the entrance into an entirely new condition, state or
economy.

Do you think it was just by chance that Greek was the common language
of the day at the time of the 1st Advent? Greek is probably one of
the most technical languages in the history of the world. Heck, you
can parse a verb 52 different ways.

Sorry, but just to declare at thing does not make it so. Theology is
a science. If you don't follow the rules, especially when it comes to
method of interpretation, then you open yourself up to error, heresy
even idolatry. God is not a God of confusion, is He? Do you think
that it was also per chance that the scriptures were written in the
the common, market place language of the time of the writer?


for they have the one NT faith in
Jesus (Ephesians 4:4-5, Jude 1:3),

But they are not declared anywhere as being "in Christ" or the Bride
of Christ. A particular doctrine must be in harmony with every other
doctrine taught in scripture. Israel is declared the "wife of God,"
the Church the "Bride of Christ," and the tribulation saints are not
pictured in Rev 4 & 5 where the Church saints are gathered to worship
God. Tribulation saints who are not killed are not given new
glorified bodies. They pass on into the Millennial Kingdom where
Christ rules the world from Jerusalem on the throne of David. You
must accept the unconditional nature of the covenants made with
Israel. YHVH time and again declares that it is His faithfulness, not
Israels that will bring this covenants to fruition.

as do those in
Revelation 7:3 (cf. 14:1-5) and Revelation 12:1 (cf.
Malachi 4:2, Revelation 19:8). Also, there's no
dichotomy between the Church and Believing Israel
(Revelation 21:9,12).

We've been over all of this before and you never responded. The
Pauline gospel that there is "neither Jew nor Greek". Now you presume
this means that there is no distinction between Israel and the
Church. But that is a *pre*sumption. For you ignore the fact that
Paul also declares that there is neither "male nor female." Now if
your position were actually true, then Paul could not write that the
husband was the head of the wife. You want your cake and eat it too.

The correct understanding is that when it comes to individual
salvation, it doesn't matter who you are -salvation is by faith
alone. This was true of Abraham as it was for Paul. However, that
does not equal out to say that Israel disolves into the church. This
is replacement theology which has no scriptural basis.

Here is the big knock against what you propose. If, indeed, as you
say, the Church has replaced Israel, then Romans would have been
written completely different. In fact, the Pauline gospel would have
to detail this MAJOR theological shift. But all you have in Gal 6:16
but even there, IF you exegete the verse from within the context of
the argument, "walk by the rule" speaks of sola fide, "peace and mercy
be upon them" refers to Gentile [uncircumcised] believers, THEN the
conjunctive KAI which *distinguishes* the two parties, the "Israel of
God" being circumcised, i.e. Jewish believers.

The problem is is that you don't know how to let the text speak for
itself instead of bring your presuppositions and reading them into the
text. Your process is to first establish your belief system and then
go to the text and try to find passages that might support it and if
not, then twist them to make it support it. This is GOD's word. Do
you think He will not hold accountable those who twist His word?

.

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